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They trashed the park and surrounds. Zuccotti Lung must be disinfected and allowing those germs to be carried elsewhere or returned after the private park is cleaned is just not smart.
They trashed the park and surrounds. Zuccotti Lung must be disinfected and allowing those germs to be carried elsewhere or returned after the private park is cleaned is just not smart.
When I was down there 2 days ago (a friend visiting NYC insisted upon seeing it), it wasn't particularly dirty or filthy. Despite how crowded it was, they seem to keep it well organized and clean. (and again, I think these people are idiots - I have no affection towards them at all).
I was surprised to see so many US flag flying at the camp (one guy was playing Lee Greenwood's "God Bless the USA" on repeat). I was surprised with how many anti-Obama posters and anti-Obama flyers I saw. And while I wasn't terribly surprised given it was veterans day weekend, it was interesting to see quite a large number of uniformed active military members milling about and talking with the OWSers.
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The park was built as part of an agreement between a private firm and the city. The firm got exemptions from zoning code on several of their nearby properties, and in exchange they agreed to build this park and maintain it as a space for public use. It's a very reasonable, not uncommon, very enforceable contract with consideration from both parties.
People don't want to hear anything rational. To them, this is no different than me setting up a tent in your living room, which is of course ridiculous. I'm curious to know what other types of covenants are on that land. I have a feeling that Brookfield's lawyers are worried about something or they would have ousted the occupiers on the first night.
People don't want to hear anything rational. To them, this is no different than me setting up a tent in your living room, which is of course ridiculous. I'm curious to know what other types of covenants are on that land. I have a feeling that Brookfield's lawyers are worried about something or they would have ousted the occupiers on the first night.
The Brookfield organization was threatened by politicians if it took action. There is no right to camp in any park in NYC.
A Supreme Court Judge has ordered the city to allow protesters back into the pack, but there are conflicting reports. Crappy CNN says in their text news story that the judge allowed the protesters to return with tents, but their video says the judge refused to let them bring tents back in. At least one other outlet says the judge allowed the tents. I'd like to the see the order and rationale.
Even assuming the park is completely private, has no contract with the city, has no restrictive land use covenants, and there is no law governing privately-owned property held for public use, the court can still force a completely private entity to do something. It's not "unconstitutional". Courts have power over private persons, groups and corporations.
Ahhh.....but the power is not unlimited. And a typical ground rule is that a land or property owner can do what they want with their property unless it breaks a law.
Unless NYC has a law that says a private park owner cannot disallow camping....the Zuccotti park owners can evict campers.
Yup. I'm sure it will go further up until it reaches a judge with some common sense. I wonder if the judge made a donation and attached a check to the order?
Do you know if there was anyone representing the owner of the property or Bloomberg (since he gave the order to evict them) in the court?
Ahhh.....but the power is not unlimited. And a typical ground rule is that a land or property owner can do what they want with their property unless it breaks a law.
Unless NYC has a law that says a private park owner cannot disallow camping....the Zuccotti park owners can evict campers.
To be more accurate, if you watch the videos the protesters are claiming that the park is their "home" and has been for the past 2 months. Would this mean that the could be evicted for non-payment of rent?
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