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Cry me a river. You folks need to get the sand out of your vajayjays. It's freaking pepper spray. It's the absolute least dangerous method they have to do their jobs (something you obviously aren't interested in them doing anyways).
A physical confrontation is going to do more harm than pepper spray.
You've pointed out how much room there is in the quad. Would you care to explain how moving when directed to do so would have in any way negatively impacted the effectiveness of the protest?
Spin it any way you like. The protestors chose to initiate a confrontation with the police. It speaks volumes to your mindset that you apparently refuse to assign any blame for the incident on those that had a very active hand in causing it.
The protestors wanted a confrontation in order to garner attention and sympathy. They got what they wanted.
That was the same argument applied against Gandhi. Why wouldn't he comply when he was ordered to leave? Why did he refuse to obey the authorities? Why did he let himself be beaten and abused? I think the answer is obvious. Passive resistance is about initiating a confrontation, but it's a peaceful non-violent response to authority. It speaks volumes to your mindset that you side with authority in its violent response to peaceful protest.
Very true.
And yes I have experienced pepper spray, CN & CS Mace is chloroacetophenone, or CN and the nasty stuff CS as part of my training.
pepper spray,
Pepper spray, also known as oleoresin capsicum or OC, is made from the same naturally-occurring chemical that makes chili peppers hot, but at concentrations much higher. Its effects include temporary blindness, coughing and skin irritation.
To make the spray used by law enforcement officers and police to control crowds, manufacturers take a concentrated oil made from chili peppers and combine it with water, glycol (a chemical used in shaving creams and liquid soaps) and a propellent such as nitrogen.
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Originally Posted by BigJon3475
Cry me a river. You folks need to get the sand out of your vajayjays. It's freaking pepper spray. It's the absolute least dangerous method they have to do their jobs (something you obviously aren't interested in them doing anyways).
A physical confrontation is going to do more harm than pepper spray.
If you did a search on "laws against blocking a sidewalk"
you would find many of them.
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge
There's a law that says you can't sit on a sidewalk? I don't think so.
What difference does being a student make?
Put yourself in the cops shoes?
You have a family (or not), you are going to do whatever it takes to make sure you can go home at night.
The most peaceful person can have a gun or knife.
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge
They weren't bored. They were pretty excited, showing up in riot gear and everything. Ooooh, lookie here, we got ourselves students camping out on the quad.
Very true.
And yes I have experienced pepper spray, CN & CS Mace is chloroacetophenone, or CN and the nasty stuff CS as part of my training.
pepper spray,
Pepper spray, also known as oleoresin capsicum or OC, is made from the same naturally-occurring chemical that makes chili peppers hot, but at concentrations much higher. Its effects include temporary blindness, coughing and skin irritation.
To make the spray used by law enforcement officers and police to control crowds, manufacturers take a concentrated oil made from chili peppers and combine it with water, glycol (a chemical used in shaving creams and liquid soaps) and a propellent such as nitrogen.
If you did a search on "laws against blocking a sidewalk"
you would find many of them.
What difference does being a student make?
Put yourself in the cops shoes?
You have a family (or not), you are going to do whatever it takes to make sure you can go home at night.
The most peaceful person can have a gun or knife.
I already put myself in the cop's shoes. As he strode along the line, looking for ways to FORCE people to COMPLY to his WILL. Sitting on the ground, kneeling before him, they were still defying HIM. And HE wasn't going to tolerate ANY defiance. Put myself in the cop's shoes? It's not a very nice place to be, someone who is willing to bully and assault people. Someone who feels comfortable spraying people who are crouched at his feet with a chemical that causes extreme pain and distress. Let's get something straight, despite the police chief's comments immediately after the spraying, the police officers were not under any threat. They weren't surrounded, they weren't being harassed, they weren't threatened in any way. They weren't responding to a threat when they pepper-sprayed these kids. They were responding to defiance. And the response wasn't proportionate or proper, it was the response of a bully.
Your remark, "the most peaceful person can have a gun or knife", is ridiculous. Possession of a weapon renders a person prepared to be violent, and that is not "the most peaceful person". These students weren't prepared to be violent, they were emulating non-violent protests. Sitting on a sidewalk is non-violent.
And you need to familiarize yourself with the campus quad at UC-Davis. Nobody sitting on the sidewalk was impeding anyone, because it's essentially a large park with a sidewalk bisecting it. People can and do cross the quad walking on the grass all day, everyday. I'm sure these police officers walk across the quad without using the sidewalk all the time. The police officers were only as impeded as they wanted to be. Because they wanted to demonstrate their authority every bit as much as the students wanted to defy it. And the police weren't satisfied with demonstrating their authority, they wanted compliance, they were willing to force compliance. And that is an abuse of authority.
Your right we don't need and cops to deal with social misfits that think that their protesting comes before any ones right to move freely.
What do we need cops for?
A person caring a gun is not violent at all.
They can be the most peace loving folks around.
Like folks who carry a CCW.
any way how would the cop know if they did have one or a knife.
The cops have to be prepared for what could happen.
Their lives and the lives of other could become endangered at any time.
You shouldn't be forced to walk off of a sidewalk.
That is why there are laws pertaining to this.
So what you could walk around them safely could a handicapped person?
Regardless.
Blocking a sidewalk can make a pedestrian have to walk in the street or chose a different route or walking on private property.
It's about pedestrian safety or the rest of society who may want to use a sidewalk as a sidewalk and not a stop to sit and protest.
Go look up all the laws pertaining to it.
Humm i wonder why it is against the law just about everywhere
They did it for a reaction, well they got it and know they and you are whining about it.
If they protested legally there wouldn't have been a proublem.
In the proper area with the proper permits etc etc
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge
Your remark, "the most peaceful person can have a gun or knife", is ridiculous. Possession of a weapon renders a person prepared to be violent, and that is not "the most peaceful person". These students weren't prepared to be violent, they were emulating non-violent protests. Sitting on a sidewalk is non-violent.
And you need to familiarize yourself with the campus quad at UC-Davis. Nobody sitting on the sidewalk was impeding anyone,y.
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Your right we don't need and cops to deal with social misfits that think that their protesting comes before any ones right to move freely.
What do we need cops for?
A person caring a gun is not violent at all.
They can be the most peace loving folks around.
Like folks who carry a CCW.
any way how would the cop know if they did have one or a knife.
The cops have to be prepared for what could happen.
Their lives and the lives of other could become endangered at any time.
You shouldn't be forced to walk off of a sidewalk.
That is why there are laws pertaining to this.
So what you could walk around them safely could a handicapped person?
Regardless.
Blocking a sidewalk can make a pedestrian have to walk in the street or chose a different route or walking on private property.
It's about pedestrian safety or the rest of society who may want to use a sidewalk as a sidewalk and not a stop to sit and protest.
Go look up all the laws pertaining to it.
Humm i wonder why it is against the law just about everywhere
They did it for a reaction, well they got it and know they and you are whining about it.
If they protested legally there wouldn't have been a proublem.
In the proper area with the proper permits etc etc
You know who couldn't move around freely? The students sitting and kneeling with their arms linked. The police were moving around quite freely. The non-protesting students in the background with their phones raised taking pictures, moving around freely. The press bank with their cameras and microphones raised, moving around freely.
The students were on THEIR campus, protesting legally. The chancellor wanted the tents removed. She sent the police to remove the tents.
Pedestrian safety, my ass. Why don't you actually look up UC Davis and take a gander at their campus quad? Because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
1.It is not their campus they pay to get an educated at the school. They have "0" ownership.
2. Those kids(adults) made a choice to sit where they did.
They made a choice to break the law.
They made a choice to stay when told what was going to happen before it did.
3. They were FREE to MOVE and protest in a law abiding manor.
4. It does not mater if this side walk was surrounded with miles and miles of flat mowed grass.
It is still illegal to block the sidewalk.
5. Clearly you don't know what a laws or ordinances are or why they exist.
6. You seam to think you and the protesters are above the law.
7. A protest that requires police intervention is not peaceful as the protesters knew their inaction would escalate the situation. Thus it was not a peaceful demonstration by the protesting.
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge
You know who couldn't move around freely? The students sitting and kneeling with their arms linked. The police were moving around quite freely. The non-protesting students in the background with their phones raised taking pictures, moving around freely. The press bank with their cameras and microphones raised, moving around freely.
The students were on THEIR campus, protesting legally. The chancellor wanted the tents removed. She sent the police to remove the tents.
Pedestrian safety, my ass. Why don't you actually look up UC Davis and take a gander at their campus quad? Because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
1.It is not their campus they pay to get an educated at the school. They have "0" ownership.
2. Those kids(adults) made a choice to sit where they did.
They made a choice to break the law.
They made a choice to stay when told what was going to happen before it did.
3. They were FREE to MOVE and protest in a law abiding manor.
4. It does not mater if this side walk was surrounded with miles and miles of flat mowed grass.
It is still illegal to block the sidewalk.
5. Clearly you don't know what a laws or ordinances are or why they exist.
6. You seam to think you and the protesters are above the law.
7. A protest that requires police intervention is not peaceful as the protesters knew their inaction would escalate the situation. Thus it was not a peaceful demonstration by the protesting.
It's not illegal to block the sidewalk.
That's the simple fact. You claim to be the legal expert, go find the law that says you can't sit on the sidewalk.
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