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Old 11-23-2011, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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While the green movement naively harbours hopes it will be able to shut down unconventional oil and gas development, in Saudi Arabia they are already contemplating a time when North American fossil fuel will replace their oil.

Looking past the din of protesters, state-owned oil giant Saudi Aramco is resigned to the fact that its influence will wane because of the massive unconventional fossil-fuel development underway in North America. As such, Saudi Arabia has no plans to raise its production output to 15 million barrels per day from 12 million, said Khalid Al-Falih, the powerful chief executive of Aramco.

“There is a new emphasis in the industry on unconventional liquids, and shale gas technologies are also being applied to shale oil,” Al-Falih, president and CEO of Saudi Aramco, warned a domestic audience in a speech in Riyadh Monday.


“Some are even talking about an era of ‘energy independence’ for the Americas, based on the immense conventional and unconventional hydrocarbon resources located there. While that might be stretching the point, it is clear that the abundance of resources and the more ‘balanced’ geographical distribution of unconventionals have reduced the much-hyped concerns over ‘energy security’, which once served as the undercurrent driving energy policies and dominated the global energy debate.”

Aramco is the powerful state entity that manages the Kingdom’s nine-million-barrel-plus oil output. Saudi Arabia has long dominated oil markets by leveraging its spare oil capacity and, as the OPEC kingpin, striking a delicate balance between the interests of oil consumers and the exporter group.
But the oil chief’s remarks reveal Saudi fears that the market dynamics are changing and its dominance over energy markets is under threat by new unconventional finds.

OPEC estimated in a recent report that global reserves of tight oil could be as high as 300 billion barrels, above Saudi Arabia’s conventional reserves of 260-billion barrels, which are currrently seen as the second-largest in the world after Venezuela.

Global output of non-conventional oil is set to rise 3.4 million bpd by 2015, still dominated by oil sands, to 5.8 million bpd by 2025 and to 8.4 million bpd by 2035 when tight oil would be playing a much bigger role. By 2035, the United States and Canada will still be dominating unconventional oil production with 6.6 million bpd, the group forecasts.

Last year, even as the world consumed nearly 30 billion barrels of oil, not only was the industry able to replace this production but global petroleum reserves actually increased by nearly seven billion barrels, as companies increasingly turned toward higher risk areas, Al-Falih noted.

Clearly, the Kingdom is preparing for new market realities as the discussion on energy has changed from scarcity to abundance, particularly due to the new finds that can be produced ‘feasibly and economically.’

In the past, Saudi Arabia, along with its OPEC allies, could drive prices down by opening the taps to ensure unconventional fossil fuels remained firmly buried in the ground. But most analysts now expect oil prices to remain high, at least over the medium term, thanks to tight supplies and continued demand from emerging markets. That’s great news for Canadian oil sands developers, which need prices around US$60 to US$70 per barrel, to make their business models economically feasible.

Saudi Arabia’s own break-even oil price has also risen sharply in the past few years, making it less likely to pursue a strategy of lower prices. The Institute of International Finance estimates that Saudi Arabia’s break-even price has shot up US$20 over the past year to US$88, in part due to a generous spending package of US$130-billion announced this year to keep domestic unrest at bay.

The Saudis now find themselves between a shale rock and a hard place: While high crude prices mean the Saudis can maintain their excessive domestic subsidies for citizens, in the long run that means the world is developing new sources, making it less dependent on Saudi oil.

Although the Saudis have vigorously fought the Ethical Oil ads, which paint them in a negative light, they already know their oil is less welcome in the Americas — Saudi oil made up a mere 9.3% of U.S. oil imports last year, down from 11.2% five years ago, according to the U.S. Department of Energy.

But while Saudis would be cheering on the green groups with ‘No KXL’ signs, they don’t hold out much hope for renewable energies either. Calling them ‘green bubbles,’ Al-Falih says governments should stop focusing on unproven and expensive energy mix, as there is frankly no appetite for massive investments in expensive, ill-thought-out energy policies and pet projects.

“The confluence of four new realities — increasing supplies of oil and gas, the failure of alternatives to gain traction, the inability of economies to foot the bill for expensive energy agendas, and shifting environmental priorities — have turned the terms of the global energy dialogue upside down. Therefore, we must recast our discussion in light of actual conditions rather than wishful thinking,” the pragmatic chief said.

Somebody should explain this wishful thinking to the green movement.
Source: Saudis worry over North American shale oil surge | Features | Energy | News | Financial Post
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Old 11-23-2011, 12:03 PM
 
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“Some are even talking about an era of ‘energy independence’ for the Americas, based on the immense conventional and unconventional hydrocarbon resources located there. While that might be stretching the point, it is clear that the abundance of resources and the more ‘balanced’ geographical distribution of unconventionals have reduced the much-hyped concerns over ‘energy security’, which once served as the undercurrent driving energy policies and dominated the global energy debate.”
I love that quote, all we have to do is get some people to get their heads out of their ass and realize how much domestic energy resources we do have.
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Old 11-23-2011, 12:30 PM
 
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Agreed but I fear for Us here in North America that for us to become truly Energy Independant... It will become a long Up hill battle between Fringe Green Groups and Govronment Environmewntal Lobbyists Groups that do not want to see a Safe, Secure and Stable and Energy Independant America.

My bet is the Saudi oil and OPEC emebers themselfs would try to lobby against American and Canadian National interests to save their own National Interests... It seems they did During the Keystone XL pipeline fiasco blowing up into a national Geo-Political debate...
(Remeber the Keystone XL pipeline project was good for Both Canada and U.S. National interests not so much for the Saudi Oil Interests.)

Although the Saudis have vigorously fought the Ethical Oil ads, which paint them in a negative light, they already know their oil is less welcome in the Americas — Saudi oil made up a mere 9.3% of U.S. oil imports last year, down from 11.2% five years ago, according to the U.S. Department of Energy.

But while Saudis would be cheering on the green groups with ‘No KXL’ signs, they don’t hold out much hope for renewable energies either. Calling them ‘green bubbles,’ Al-Falih says governments should stop focusing on unproven and expensive energy mix, as there is frankly no appetite for massive investments in expensive, ill-thought-out energy policies and pet projects.
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Old 11-23-2011, 01:00 PM
 
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Looking past the din of protesters, state-owned oil giant Saudi Aramco is resigned to the fact that its influence will wane because of the massive unconventional fossil-fuel development underway in North America.
The nagging little fact that their oil production will peak during this decade--after which it will all be literally downhill for them--could have some bearing on their concerns, as well.

I look forward to the day when they can't hold oil over our heads like a weapon any more. I only hope for the day (although I don't really expect it to come) when our government will point out to them that we also happen to grow a fair amount of wheat and corn...and that they can't eat their sand.
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Old 11-23-2011, 02:29 PM
 
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. I only hope for the day (although I don't really expect it to come) when our government will point out to them that we also happen to grow a fair amount of wheat and corn...and that they can't eat their sand.
...or even the day when we are the dominate source for oil. The one good thing about sucking up the rest of the worlds oil is we are preserving our own supply.
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Old 11-23-2011, 02:33 PM
 
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So let's deplete them first and then drill baby drill.
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Old 11-23-2011, 02:42 PM
 
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So let's deplete them first and then drill baby drill.
Shale Oil is produced by Hydraulic fracturing so it means Frack baby Frack
Up here in B.C. We be fracking up a storm for both Natural Gas and Oil...Canada and the US have become very efficent and awsome Frackers at fracking ..So frack Yeah
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Old 11-23-2011, 02:44 PM
 
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Agreed but I fear for Us here in North America that for us to become truly Energy Independant... It will become a long Up hill battle between Fringe Green Groups and Govronment Environmewntal Lobbyists Groups that do not want to see a Safe, Secure and Stable and Energy Independant America.

My bet is the Saudi oil and OPEC emebers themselfs would try to lobby against American and Canadian National interests to save their own National Interests... It seems they did During the Keystone XL pipeline fiasco blowing up into a national Geo-Political debate...
(Remeber the Keystone XL pipeline project was good for Both Canada and U.S. National interests not so much for the Saudi Oil Interests.)

Although the Saudis have vigorously fought the Ethical Oil ads, which paint them in a negative light, they already know their oil is less welcome in the Americas — Saudi oil made up a mere 9.3% of U.S. oil imports last year, down from 11.2% five years ago, according to the U.S. Department of Energy.

But while Saudis would be cheering on the green groups with ‘No KXL’ signs, they don’t hold out much hope for renewable energies either. Calling them ‘green bubbles,’ Al-Falih says governments should stop focusing on unproven and expensive energy mix, as there is frankly no appetite for massive investments in expensive, ill-thought-out energy policies and pet projects.
Imagine if we had a president and a congress that sought to make America energy independent, then our national security concerns would not take a back seat to foreign oil.

In the wake of the report, the United States has been working to build international support for new sanctions. Much of its focus has been on cutting off the Iranian central bank or placing further curbs on the petroleum industry.

But there are hurdles to sanctioning Iran’s central bank, because China, Japan and other countries rely on it to process transactions for purchases of oil. The White House is also reluctant to undertake measures that could lead to spikes in oil prices and rattle a fragile American economy.


U.S. Plans New Sanctions Against Iran’s Oil Industry

We could supply the oil to other nations, so they too would not become slaves to the Mid East governments.
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Old 11-23-2011, 02:45 PM
 
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trust me OPEC will go the way of butter and rubber, price gouging results in alternative sources.
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Old 11-23-2011, 03:19 PM
 
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Imagine if we had a president and a congress that sought to make America energy independent, then our national security concerns would not take a back seat to foreign oil.

In the wake of the report, the United States has been working to build international support for new sanctions. Much of its focus has been on cutting off the Iranian central bank or placing further curbs on the petroleum industry.

But there are hurdles to sanctioning Iran’s central bank, because China, Japan and other countries rely on it to process transactions for purchases of oil. The White House is also reluctant to undertake measures that could lead to spikes in oil prices and rattle a fragile American economy.

U.S. Plans New Sanctions Against Iran’s Oil Industry

We could supply the oil to other nations, so they too would not become slaves to the Mid East governments.
it would also bring ton of investment and Jobs back to the US and Canada since to supply the world with all of it's Energy needs from Oil, Natural Gas and Coal Requires ton of high paying Skilled trades jobs that cannot be shipped overseas...

It's a Win-Win situation.. We shut down OPEC's strangle hold on the oil markets and gain major influnece and leverage over China, Create tons of high paying jobs in the US and Canada for the middle class Workers and shutout/Boycott Iran at the same time.

That is if we had the Govrenmental Leadeship to take the steps into doing this and the testicular fortitude to actaully do it Canada and the US would be Energy Super powers with major control and a very strong hold on the World Energy market.

We would have such a Strong hold on the energy market that we could ruin whole nations that side Against us or our Allies...without firing one Single bullet or sending in any US/NATO allied Troops..

We (Canada and the US) could topple a Whole Regime that is Against North American Values and Pro-West ideals without the use of any military Hardpower but rather with Economic Softpower and Sanctions.

But that just makes too much Sense and would take alot of testicular fortitude on North Americas part to do if we really Wanted to become energy Independant.
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