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Old 11-23-2011, 12:49 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Unemployment decreased every year during the implementation of the New Deal.

Not exactly.

Unemployment Statistics during the Great Depression
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Old 11-23-2011, 12:52 PM
 
Location: NJ
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The tradition continues today as Barney Frank keeps getting re-elected despite his incompetence. Why do people do this is because they are myopic and one issue voters who could care less about their fellow man and ther country.
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Old 11-23-2011, 12:53 PM
 
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I was born 10 days after FDR was officially elected by the electoral college and as poor as we were we never really knew how bad it was till after the War ended. Things did start to pick up after that but nothing changed a whole lot while he was in office.

When you talk about employment picking up while FDR was in office you are including the CCC, PWA, and WPA and those were nothing but being paid subsistence wages by the government. More of that government paying people to avoid the high numbers of unemployment. You do know that Obama and his advisors think the same thing about employment that FDR thought, I think.
Tell that to the people who were brought out of abject poverty by those programs. The "subsistence wages" provided by the WPA and CCC kept many families from starving, trained previously uneducated young men for new industries, and built a large part of our public infrastructure. Say what you will about FDR the man, and feel free to rant on with your revisionists outlook that the Depression, "wasn't that bad," and that it didn't pick up until we entered the war. However, don't disparage the many families that were saved by those programs.

Also, you'd think the CCC and WPA would be popular among conservatives. I mean, it's work instead of direct welfare.
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Old 11-23-2011, 12:55 PM
 
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It only jumped the first year he was president, but after the programs were implemented, it dropped drastically.
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Old 11-23-2011, 12:55 PM
 
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It was still better that it was during the depression prior to his first term.
So? Economies have ups and downs. It was a relatively slow recovery, not enough to jump to such a definite conclusion as you have. I'm still studying this to be honest but from what I've learned so far it's not so black and white. We're talking countless individual policies here, some disastrous, some not.

You have to take the war into account as well.

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It only jumped the first year he was president, but after the programs were implemented, it dropped drastically.
No, it didn't drop drastically until the war. And a drop means nothing by itself because in economics there is no control variable to compare to. We don't know exactly what would have happened without government intervention.
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Old 11-23-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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So? Economies have ups and downs. It was a relatively slow recovery, not enough to jump to such a definite conclusion as you have. I'm still studying this to be honest but from what I've learned so far it's not so black and white. We're talking countless individual policies here, some disastrous, some not.

You have to take the war into account as well.
Here's an example of FDR's programs working.


New Deal: We Work Again - 1930's - YouTube
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Old 11-23-2011, 12:59 PM
 
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Here's an example of FDR's programs working.
See, this is the problem with how most people look at economics. You can not look at anything by itself. Everything is connected. Everything.

Also, it looks like you're confusing immediate relief with long term economic policy. Immediate relief is necessary in certain situations, but it exists entirely apart from economic policy.

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Old 11-23-2011, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Conservatives love to talk about how bad of a president FDR was when it is a fact that the country loved him in the 1930s to the point they elected him 4 times.
Why was he reelected so many times? Because he was so unpopular.
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Old 11-23-2011, 01:10 PM
 
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If FDR Prolonged The Depression, Why Was he Elected 4 Times?
Apparently he was popular. So the question is: why was he popular?
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Old 11-23-2011, 01:12 PM
 
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Why was he reelected so many times? Because he was so unpopular.
Well following this crappy logic I guess George Bush was pretty good too huh?
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