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Old 11-27-2011, 11:52 AM
 
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Social Security is one of the most effective federal programs. Try again.
Effective at what? Creating a society of dependant americans who live in poverty and a program so riddled with tens of TRILLIONS in unfunded liabilities?

Thats effective? You better try again
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Old 11-27-2011, 11:54 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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While you try to legitimize your own position by saying, "the majority come to the conclusion," the fact is that the overwhelming body of economists DO NOT come to your conclusion. Of the ones that did, it was shown that they had an agenda and engaged in dubious methodology.

If you are looking toward Harding for policies that you say yielded prosperity, you are sadly misguided. As I've shown in this post: https://www.city-data.com/forum/21812533-post191.html, his policies were disastrous.

Total/Defense Only ($bil.)
1919....... 18.9/11.3
1920....... 6.6/2.6
1921....... 5.5/2.1
1922....... 3.8/1.3
1923....... 3.7/1.3

What happened was that the massive government spending and tax cuts created the 1920 recession and further cuts created the 1924 recession.


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Ya, They didn't call it the roaring 20's for nothing, after Wilson ran us into debt and collapse.
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Old 11-27-2011, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Effective at what? Creating a society of dependant americans who live in poverty and a program so riddled with tens of TRILLIONS in unfunded liabilities?

Thats effective? You better try again
Social Security dependent? This people worked long enough to be entitled to Social Security. They're not slackers or moochers.

You can't re-write history. The Social Security generation is the only generation that didn't live in poverty. Prior generations did live in poverty.
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Old 11-27-2011, 12:06 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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You can go smack yourself a thousand time over. Don't give yourself a headache.

No, the private sector didn't "do a better job". I'd put my knowledge of immunizations up against anyone's. The thing is, with immunizations, the health dept clinics are for people w/o insurance. (This is a generalization, of course.) As more people got insurance in the 90s, there was less of a need for a public clinic in that particular location.

I haven't seen you introduce any logic, either, just your preconceived ideas about how government and government employees work, w/o apparently any experience with same.


Churches ran immunization programs when I was a kid. The Government took that over.
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Old 11-27-2011, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Ya, They didn't call it the roaring 20's for nothing, after Wilson ran us into debt and collapse.
If you really want to be knowledgeable about economic history you need to learn economic history. The 20's had an expansion of GNP the totals are misleading. Most of that growth was concentrated in the highest income group. Factory owners did well while factory workers got by. It was also fed by monetary expansion, and no financial regulation. One could by $10,000 worth of stock with $1,000 margin, which led to the stock market bubble and crash.

It's like the housing bubble, when America made money selling houses to each other, except that in the 1920s, America made money selling stock to each other.
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Old 11-27-2011, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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If you really want to be knowledgeable about economic history you need to learn economic history. The 20's had an expansion of GNP the totals are misleading. Most of that growth was concentrated in the highest income group. Factory owners did well while factory workers got by. It was also fed by monetary expansion, and no financial regulation. One could by $10,000 worth of stock with $1,000 margin, which led to the stock market bubble and crash.

It's like the housing bubble, when America made money selling houses to each other, except that in the 1920s, America made money selling stock to each other.
It wasn't just stock though. Buying on credit was also big. People went into debt to live high off the hog.
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Old 11-27-2011, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Give some documentation, in fact, to this whole screed.
LMAO I just did with FEMA. Don't you read the posts you are responding too?
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Old 11-27-2011, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Churches ran immunization programs when I was a kid. The Government took that over.
I seriously doubt the church ran the program. Years ago, probably when you were a kid, health departments ran immunization clinics in places like churches, community centers and so on. Some probably still do. Most smaller HDs just do them out of their offices. Running an immunization program takes more skill than you think. It would be very hard to do with a bunch of church volunteers.
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Old 11-27-2011, 12:36 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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If you really want to be knowledgeable about economic history you need to learn economic history. The 20's had an expansion of GNP the totals are misleading. Most of that growth was concentrated in the highest income group. Factory owners did well while factory workers got by. It was also fed by monetary expansion, and no financial regulation. One could by $10,000 worth of stock with $1,000 margin, which led to the stock market bubble and crash.

It's like the housing bubble, when America made money selling houses to each other, except that in the 1920s, America made money selling stock to each other.


There has always been financial regulation. Government has always had control of the financials. The problem occurs when the government picks the winners and losers in the financials.
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Old 11-27-2011, 12:41 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I seriously doubt the church ran the program. Years ago, probably when you were a kid, health departments ran immunization clinics in places like churches, community centers and so on. Some probably still do. Most smaller HDs just do them out of their offices. Running an immunization program takes more skill than you think. It would be very hard to do with a bunch of church volunteers.

The churches funded the vaccines and administered as most all of the nuns, were the hospital nurses.
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