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Old 11-23-2011, 01:18 PM
 
Location: USA
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It will be interesting to see if Obama is also re-elected during a depression.
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Old 11-23-2011, 01:20 PM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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Conservatives love to talk about how bad of a president FDR was when it is a fact that the country loved him in the 1930s to the point they elected him 4 times.
FDR was elected four times because he actually tried to do something about unemployment. No, unemployment didn't drop to pre-crash levels until the War, but it dropped through most of the 30s (I think the recession of 1937 was the exception). And while the New Deal didn't end the depression, it certainly didn't get worse, which it likely would have had FDR done nothing.

FDR also created work programs which saved families from starving. Plenty of people in the 30s knew that. Social Security also proved popular as it lifted many elderly out of poverty, and prevented even more from becoming poor.

He also, like Reagan, projected a confidence in the American people and from that, and optimism that everything would be okay, that things would work out in the end. His friends, family and acquaintences can all vouch for that character trait, which people find attractive in a leader.

The man was one of the greatest men we ever had in the oval office. I know most Republicans hate the man and would disagree, but they're wrong. He was far, far from perfect, and I certainly don't agree with everything he did, but for the times, he did a good job with what was handed to him, and honestly, if the people elected him four times, they must have seen some improvement themselves.
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Old 11-23-2011, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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If you really want background on the "FDR prolonged the Depression" revisionist history, just go up to "search" click "Advanced" put in MTAtech and in the subject put "FDR" also click "posts" radio button. I've got lots of stuff posted starting in June 2011.

The basics are that there were a few economists who made that claim but they fudged the data to have it "prove" what they wanted. It's a discredited meme.
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Old 11-23-2011, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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For the same reason that FDR was elected. So many people liked his progressive ideas and thought they were helping them. Wasn't it FDR who was responsible for Social Security, one of those horrible entitlement programs of today? Many of those people didn't realize that SS wouldn't be as good as it appeared to them then.

When it was started, SS was only 1% of your income.
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Old 11-23-2011, 01:29 PM
 
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If you really want background on the "FDR prolonged the Depression" revisionist history, just go up to "search" click "Advanced" put in MTAtech and in the subject put "FDR" also click "posts" radio button. I've got lots of stuff posted starting in June 2011.

The basics are that there were a few economists who made that claim but they fudged the data to have it "prove" what they wanted. It's a discredited meme.
It is discredited and debunked but it is still spewed out by right wing commentators as if it were fact.
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Old 11-23-2011, 01:30 PM
 
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FDR also created work programs which saved families from starving. Plenty of people in the 30s knew that. Social Security also proved popular as it lifted many elderly out of poverty, and prevented even more from becoming poor.
It was necessary yes but anyone can enact welfare programs. These will obviously boost popularity, much more so than long term economic policy, which is why the OP's premise is highly flawed.

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If you really want background on the "FDR prolonged the Depression" revisionist history, just go up to "search" click "Advanced" put in MTAtech and in the subject put "FDR" also click "posts" radio button. I've got lots of stuff posted starting in June 2011.
This? //www.city-data.com/forum/polit...-work-get.html
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Old 11-23-2011, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Well following this crappy logic I guess George Bush was pretty good too huh?
Yep, but Clinton was way more unpopular.
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Old 11-23-2011, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Yet didn't go back down to 5% until the 40s. Doesn't prove anything.

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I'm not saying he necessarily prolonged it by the way. I'm just saying that it's a debatable issue with hundreds of factors.
Well, if one looks at a chart of unemployment for that period one will notice a steep decline from 1929 all the way until the New Deal kicked in; then a precipitous rise until 1937, when the New Deal was cut back. In 1938, the New Deal was re-instituted and unemployment dropped again. It's as close to a 1:1 correlation as one can get.

Sure, unemployment could have fallen faster had the spending on the New Deal was equal to the spending in WWII but that's hardly "prolonging."
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Old 11-23-2011, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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It was necessary yes but anyone can enact welfare programs. These will obviously boost popularity, much more so than long term economic policy, which is why the OP's premise is highly flawed.

This? //www.city-data.com/forum/polit...-work-get.html
Yup. That's one of them. (scroll down.) (Next time, click the "Posts" radio button not "Threads.")
This is the post:
//www.city-data.com/forum/19118368-post10.html
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Old 11-23-2011, 01:47 PM
 
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Conservatives love to talk about how bad of a president FDR was when it is a fact that the country loved him in the 1930s to the point they elected him 4 times.
Because when government is giving you a check to stay out of work, do you really want to vote the check away?
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