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Old 11-24-2011, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Unions are just not responsive change. Oh well I guess no jobs are better than lower paying ones.


Plan to Revive Two ABC Soap Operas Collapses - NYTimes.com

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Within days, though, Mr. Kwatinetz and Mr. Frank realized that they had underestimated the time it would take to win over cast members like Susan Lucci, the star of “All My Children,” and groups like the Writers Guild of America. And by the end of July, Prospect Park was cautioning that “All My Children” probably wouldn’t make the planned transition to the Web in September, as originally hoped.

Later, the company abandoned plans to reboot “All My Children” altogether and decided to concentrate on “One Life to Live” because a greater number of that show’s stars and writers had signed on to participate.

But those signings were contingent on final agreements with the unions and guilds, which were never reached. The licensing terms for the soaps specified that Web episodes would be just as long and just as high in quality as they were on TV; that enabled the writers guild and other unions to say in negotiations that cast and crew members should be paid almost as much as they were paid for the TV versions of the shows.

Prospect Park had secured some financing for the online productions, according to two people involved in the company’s plans — but not enough to meet the expectations of the unions. So the company pushed back, saying that it needed flexibility because its online production plan was experimental. The argument was that the shows had already been canceled.
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Old 11-24-2011, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Unions are just not responsive change. Oh well I guess no jobs are better than lower paying ones.


Plan to Revive Two ABC Soap Operas Collapses - NYTimes.com
You are opposed to the free market system? Seems to me they had a business plan that would not make money.
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Old 11-24-2011, 07:27 AM
 
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Unions are just not responsive change. Oh well I guess no jobs are better than lower paying ones.


Plan to Revive Two ABC Soap Operas Collapses - NYTimes.com
Your first bold sentence makes sense. If the time and effort needed to produce a Web episode is as much as with TV episodes, why should those doing the work be paid much less for their work?

Anyway, most soaps are better left dead Those revivals are always odd somehow, especially if the cast is not identical or if they look much older and people wonder what might have happened to all those characters in the meantime.
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Old 11-24-2011, 11:09 AM
 
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How about a soap opera about unions?
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Old 11-24-2011, 01:25 PM
 
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How about a soap opera about unions?

Ooohhh... I'd watch that one!
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Old 11-24-2011, 01:32 PM
 
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Unions are just not responsive change. Oh well I guess no jobs are better than lower paying ones.


Plan to Revive Two ABC Soap Operas Collapses - NYTimes.com
Seems to me that you right wing types should be celebrating since that's less "liberal Hollywood drivel" that will be on TV.
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Old 11-24-2011, 01:34 PM
 
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Seems to me that you right wing types should be celebrating since that's less "liberal Hollywood drivel" that will be on TV.
I agree, now if we can only clean up the same mess on CD P&C
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Old 11-24-2011, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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Your first bold sentence makes sense. If the time and effort needed to produce a Web episode is as much as with TV episodes, why should those doing the work be paid much less for their work?
Logic strikes again!
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Old 11-24-2011, 01:43 PM
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The problem with unions are not that they don't want to work for lower wages but they prevent others who would be willing. So, in this example, everybody loses.
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Old 11-24-2011, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Your first bold sentence makes sense. If the time and effort needed to produce a Web episode is as much as with TV episodes, why should those doing the work be paid much less for their work?

Anyway, most soaps are better left dead Those revivals are always odd somehow, especially if the cast is not identical or if they look much older and people wonder what might have happened to all those characters in the meantime.
Actually it's not, it was a condition foisted upon the buyers of the internet rights to keep the unions on board.

The reality is somewhat different.

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So the company pushed back, saying that it needed flexibility because its online production plan was experimental. The argument was that the shows had already been canceled.
Obvious to everyone but the unions, the existing model collapsed so this new one would be a start up, experimental and adjustments would have to be made. The unions wanted the same pay and rights they had when their shows on TV went belly up.


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“We thought they would be cheering us for saving jobs,” said one of the people involved. The people insisted on anonymity because the company had decided not to say anything on the record except for the statement.
You'd think but unions aren't interested in jobs.
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