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It is what it is. The kids don't enter school until 5 years old or 6 even.
They have already experienced what they consider "the norm".
Now they go to school and the other kids in school live the same way.
So tell me, how do you break the cycle ? Kids are in school for 6 hours a day...home and in the streets the rest of the time and many kids treat school like a social gathering rather than a learning institution.
"could" start a vicious cycle ? We already have generational welfare families with grandma, mom and daughter receiving government benefits.
The question is how do you break that cycle ?
If you haven't been in inner city schools, it's bad. Some of these kids have grandparents that are in their late 30's, early 40's..yes I said grandparents.
Mixing might be one step. Finding ways to simply make poor people mix with the rest of society so they get a feeling for real life so to speak. And maybe also a poor conscience when they see how others manage to go to work and have a family. I am not saying that should be the goal, but it might happen and motivate people to get their act together.
I consider poverty a kind of disease. I used to know a woman who admittedly had a difficult life and was gradually withdrawing herself from society, without fully realizing it or, if she did, without knowing how to prevent it from happening. She ended up spending all day at home, not opening her curtains anymore, living on delivered food. She had lost contact with society and reality so to speak and needed to be reintroduced to reality by a shrink.
Mixing might be one step. Finding ways to simply make poor people mix with the rest of society so they get a feeling for real life so to speak. And maybe also a poor conscience when they see how others manage to go to work and have a family. I am not saying that should be the goal, but it might happen and motivate people to get their act together.
School choice/vouchers would be an excellent way to mix socioeconomic levels, but liberals/Democrats are vehemently opposed to that. They want to keep low-income kids trapped in their low-income neighborhood public schools.
Mixing might be one step. Finding ways to simply make poor people mix with the rest of society so they get a feeling for real life so to speak. And maybe also a poor conscience when they see how others manage to go to work and have a family. I am not saying that should be the goal, but it might happen and motivate people to get their act together.
I consider poverty a kind of disease. I used to know a woman who admittedly had a difficult life and was gradually withdrawing herself from society, without fully realizing it or, if she did, without knowing how to prevent it from happening. She ended up spending all day at home, not opening her curtains anymore, living on delivered food. She had lost contact with society and reality so to speak and needed to be reintroduced to reality by a shrink.
Severe clinical depression is a byproduct of the "real world" you praise here. Depression is #2 cause of the permanent disability in the "developed" world. Locking yourself in a house is a Japan' scourge, if everything is so dandy why people don't want to get out?
Mixing might be one step. Finding ways to simply make poor people mix with the rest of society so they get a feeling for real life so to speak. And maybe also a poor conscience when they see how others manage to go to work and have a family. I am not saying that should be the goal, but it might happen and motivate people to get their act together.
I consider poverty a kind of disease. I used to know a woman who admittedly had a difficult life and was gradually withdrawing herself from society, without fully realizing it or, if she did, without knowing how to prevent it from happening. She ended up spending all day at home, not opening her curtains anymore, living on delivered food. She had lost contact with society and reality so to speak and needed to be reintroduced to reality by a shrink.
That won't work. You have to transport that kid from the inner city to the suburbs. They will stick out like a sore thumb because of their dress and way of talking. They will have no friends and won't participate in any after school activities. They won't be able to afford Little League or Pop Warner and their parents won't mingle with other parents.
Some of these kids are so wild and misbehaved these days that field trips have been canceled; field trips that would have given them a broader view of life outside their little neighborhood.
You have to solve the problems closer to home. Sticking poor kids in a rich suburban school is not going to break the cycle of poverty. More than likely it would increase the occurrence of vandalism in the school.
The number of near-poor in America is exploding, too, as shown by the same census data that placed so many more people below the poverty level:
When the Census Bureau this month released a new measure of poverty, meant to better count disposable income, it began altering the portrait of national need. Perhaps the most startling differences between the old measure and the new involves data the government has not yet published, showing 51 million people with incomes less than 50 percent above the poverty line. That number of Americans is 76 percent higher than the official account, published in September. All told, that places 100 million people — one in three Americans — either in poverty or in the fretful zone just above it.
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You can thank the progressive liberal socialist for the destruction of our economy. Starting back in the Carter Administration, doubled down under Clinton and then all or nothing under Obama ... they successfully achieved their goal.
You know even animals make instinctive energy cost-benefit analysis, as in "will consuming prey make up for the energy spent to catch it".
There used to be iron law of wages stating that "Under free market conditions wages of labor tend to approach labor's subsistence & reproduction costs" (after all labor is just another commodity, just like a machine, why pay more to run it and to replace it?). "Fortunately" with globalization and overpopulation, owning class can bypass iron law of wages to pay below substistence&reproduction wages. You know, like some beekeepers who work their bee swarm to death by removing all the honey that bees store for winter. Why pay for a bee swarm to winter if you can get another swarm for cheap in the spring time?
Just think about minimum wage in a context of my post. Is minimum wage sufficient for reproduction of low wage work force, HELL NO. Is minimum wage sufficient for subsistence, not always. Yet, you want poors to be dumber than animals to serve you precious, and work for less than their subsistence wages and to be dumb enough to believe that everyone can get to the top/middle if he tries hard (so you could $ave on policing).
I agree. In another thread we were discussing salaries. A big income gap causes many problems, especially for those at the bottom. I think any work should earn you enough to lead a decent life as long as you give your best at work. Humans don't like to be treated like exchangeable machines. If they are treated and paid well they will also do jobs that they now reject as they are not worth the trouble.
I agree. In another thread we were discussing salaries. A big income gap causes many problems, especially for those at the bottom. I think any work should earn you enough to lead a decent life as long as you give your best at work. Humans don't like to be treated like exchangeable machines. If they are treated and paid well they will also do jobs that they now reject as they are not worth the trouble.
For years the government has excluded food/energy in calculating inflation.
Some salary increases are tied to inflation.
With food/energy soaring the way it has over the years and NOT COUNTING did anyone expect a different outcome than what we have today ?
Food/energy is the major part of any American's budget and yet the government doesn't count that ? How idiotic is that to say we have little to no inflation ?
We did this to ourselves. It didn't start yesterday though; it's been years if not decades in the making and it cannot be undone overnight.
Severe clinical depression is a byproduct of the "real world" you praise here. Depression is #2 cause of the permanent disability in the "developed" world. Locking yourself in a house is a Japan' scourge, if everything is so dandy why people don't want to get out?
I am not praising the real world, it can be depressing and is simply too fast and challenging for many.
Unfortunately, the economy (which largely determines our modern world) is lead by ambitious overachievers (till they fall), that are trying to force their standards onto the rest of society. That gives our world a character some people including myself have big problems with.
That won't work. You have to transport that kid from the inner city to the suburbs. They will stick out like a sore thumb because of their dress and way of talking. They will have no friends and won't participate in any after school activities. They won't be able to afford Little League or Pop Warner and their parents won't mingle with other parents.
Some of these kids are so wild and misbehaved these days that field trips have been canceled; field trips that would have given them a broader view of life outside their little neighborhood.
You have to solve the problems closer to home. Sticking poor kids in a rich suburban school is not going to break the cycle of poverty. More than likely it would increase the occurrence of vandalism in the school.
Yes, in the US there is the additional problem of mere geographical separation, gentrification, etc. I read somewhere that in LA there are city highways that literally work like a border. People on either side never go to the other.
Yes, in the US there is the additional problem of mere geographical separation, gentrification, etc. I read somewhere that in LA there are city highways that literally work like a border. People on either side never go to the other.
Not only in LA and not only highways. Sometimes rivers cutting through a city do the same thing as well as railroad tracks.
There's always the "bad section of town" no matter where you go.
But, as Bill Cosby says, the change has to come from within to be worth something.
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I read somewhere that in LA there are city highways that literally work like a border. People on either side never go to the other.
