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Old 11-26-2011, 09:00 PM
 
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Did you not watch the video in the OP? If you saw it I guess you didn't see the one girl who kept here head and face averted as if she thought that would somehow keep them from talking to her. That cop was talking right at the side of her head and she tried to ignore him.

What were those kids doing on that sidewalk? Is there not a chance that they were trying to keep the police from going down it to get back to the street? Why I think that is just what they wanted. They wanted to push the police into the crowd for some reason that both of us know what was.
I think your conclusion may be right but your premise is wrong. Th girl was not required to talk to or listen to the police. The police are not the boss on the street.

The kids were on the sidewalk because the sidewalk is a public area.
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Old 11-26-2011, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Northern MN
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Really you think this can compare?

This case arises from a traffic stop for a seatbelt violation in which Los Angeles County Sheriff's Deputy Richard Wells pepper sprayed Mark Anthony Young and struck him with a baton after Young exited his vehicle and disobeyed Wells's order to reenter it.

The audio transcript of the stop suggests Young was unaware he was about to be pepper sprayed:

No. 09

Nor did he make any contact with him unlike the cop in the vid who tries to pull them apart.
Resisting the officer.



And back to the subject at hand.

When the cop tried to pull them apart they were resisting being taken into police custody.
Pepper spray justified.
They were handled with kids gloves.

But I have.

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You still haven't addressed how this justifies their use of pepper spray in the manner it was administered.

Last edited by snofarmer; 11-26-2011 at 09:20 PM..
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Old 11-26-2011, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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It's not serious enough to break laws over. Besides, I don't believe in "income inequality." There is an income disparity between the rich and the poor, but so what? This is America. It's a free country. People have the right to get and be rich and to be able to hold on their wealth if they want to. It is not the government's job to legislate "income equality".
The progressives have been talking about equality as if it were allowing equal income for all. Equality of opportunity is what capitalism is all about, everybody having an equal chance to get a head. Equality of condition is what they push for. Everybody knows that communists want us to believe that we should all have equality of condition so we are all equal. I will always stand up for equal of opportunity as the way we should live and never what those people on the far left want people to believe.
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Old 11-26-2011, 09:00 PM
 
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1. They weren't being arrested, so your use of the term "resistance" is misplaced. They were non-compliant, which is what I bolded. You clearly did not read the cited case law for comprehension, let alone use any accuracy in attempting to rebut it.
Non compliant with what? The law?

I read what you posted - you seem to be unfamiliar with the actual facts - 10 of the protesters were arrested, which means they are accused of breaking a law (not of being "non compliant").

So yeah, the whole issue of whether or not interlocking arms constitutes active resistance is quite pertinent.
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Old 11-26-2011, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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Really you think this can compare?
You clearly have no idea how case law works. Yes, they can compare. Young, in fact, is on point.
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Non compliant with what? The law?

I read what you posted - you seem to be unfamiliar with the actual facts - 10 of the protesters were arrested, which means they are accused of breaking a law (not of being "non compliant").

So yeah, the whole issue of whether or not interlocking arms constitutes active resistance is quite pertinent.
The students who were arrested were already in police custody. The seated students were protesting those arrests.

Interlocking arms do not pose an immediate threat to police, let alone a threat warranting "intermediate force."
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Old 11-26-2011, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Northern MN
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I did, you will have to a better job keeping up.
This is just cluttering things up now.

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So?

What?

You still haven't addressed how this justifies their use of pepper spray in the manner it was administered.
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Old 11-26-2011, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Northern MN
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Wow just wow
When it sautes you fine but if it doesn't it's the fruit of the poisonous tree.

Any time the cop can't see what is in your hands you pose the threat. Any time you resist a cop you pose a threat.
As stated arrests were made force is justified in effecting a arrest when the the person being taken into custody refuses to comply..

Get it?
It's that simple.



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You clearly have no idea how case law works. Yes, they can compare. Young, in fact, is on point. The students who were arrested were already in police custody. The seated students were protesting those arrests.

Interlocking arms do not pose an immediate threat to police, let alone a threat warranting "intermediate force."
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Old 11-26-2011, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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I did, you will have to a better job keeping up.
This is just cluttering things up now.
Actually, all you did was give your opinion that you think the students deserved the pepper spray because a different cop barely tried to move one student with a light pull on the arm before moving away to allow the offending officer to step over her and spray her at a moment when she was just sitting there and not posing any actual threat. And in your view, this proves they "were handled with kid gloves."

You'll excuse me if I couldn't care less about your personal opinion. I'll take the 9th Circuit over you every day of the week.
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Old 11-26-2011, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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wow
When it sautes you fine but if it doesn't it's the fruit of the poisonous tree.

Any time the cop can't see what is in your hands you pose the threat. Any time you resist a cop you pose a threaght.
as stated arrests were made force is justified in effecting a arrest.
The 9th Circuit disagrees with you, dear.
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Old 11-26-2011, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Northern MN
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wow


I wish I viewed the world threw rose colored glasses.
Have an enchanted life.

I'm done with this thread.
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