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I was not aware that Alabama had an economy that could be damaged. Other than NASA what is actually made or grown in Alabama except crooked politicians?
The article says that there are about 95,000 illegals in Alabama's workforce, 4.8% of the total. If they all left and citizens/legal residents took their jobs, how much would that cut into the state's unemployment problem?
You make a good point, and I do not mean to criticize the logic behind it.
However, how many of the legal citizens of Alabama will rush in to take those jobs?
How many Alabamians have the ability, experience, or physical stamina to just perform those jobs with the same degree of productivity?
If I was an unemployed worker - nearing, as I am, the age of 60 without the physical strength I had when when I was in my 20's - no matter how much I would like a job, working in hard physical agricultural labor is not an option for me.
You make a good point, and I do not mean to criticize the logic behind it.
However, how many of the legal citizens of Alabama will rush in to take those jobs?
How many Alabamians have the ability, experience, or physical stamina to just perform those jobs with the same degree of productivity?
If I was an unemployed worker - nearing, as I am, the age of 60 without the physical strength I had when when I was in my 20's - no matter how much I would like a job, working in hard physical agricultural labor is not an option for me.
Only 3% of illegal aliens work in Agriculture.. And even so, there are H-2A visas available but the farmers are greedy. They have other options but choose to go the illegal route.
What about other jobs? Construction? Janitorial etc? Those are nto as strenuous.. Yet Americans lose those jobs everyday so the big guys can save a buck. I was looking through the Labor Jobs section on Craigs List the other day. Jobs were posted in Spanish and Portuguese. Why? You think they are catering to Americans and legal immigrants here?
Only 3% of illegal aliens work in Agriculture.. And even so, there are H-2A visas available but the farmers are greedy. They have other options but choose to go the illegal route.
Well, clearly the farmers are into free market, and those who define labor as legal versus illegal are into regulations.
But speaking of those jobs that illegal immigrants would generally do, I almost never see a good old American choosing to compete with day laborers.
No, you're right, the actual number did come down to 9.3%, I didn't re-check the numbers since before Thanksgiving and mistakenly used the same number from last month.
the NYT article is titled 'the price of intolerance'
it's now considered 'intolerant' to expect people to obey the laws?
Yes. That's how the Liberal media works. Soon enough, people who think pedophiles should be in prison will be labeled as "intolerant."
That's how it works.
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Originally Posted by Clark Park
However, how many of the legal citizens of Alabama will rush in to take those jobs?
Does it matter?
No, absolutely not.
What does matter is the state of your society.
A functional society will either prosecute and deport illegal aliens, and their children, who are "fruits of the poisonous tree," or it will revoke the laws and permit open borders, because apparently that society is so wealthythat it can bear the additional costs of crime and punishment, and the additional health care costs from drug-resistant tuberculosis and many other diseases, as well as damaging insect infestations, brought to the US through open borders
A dysfunctional society will tolerate blatant felony violations, refuse to change the laws, and then label those who insist the laws be followed as "intolerant."
Mircea, you are wrong. It is quite intolerant to have no sympathy for people that came here to better their lives during a time our employers and leaders chose to look the other way.
Have you ever actually been to Mexico? Something tells me if you were in their situation, you would come here too.
If not, could you kindly delineate for me what you would do to improve Mexican as a peasant with scant access to anything, much less basic resources such as electricity?
A functional society will either prosecute and deport illegal aliens, and their children,
A dysfunctional society will tolerate blatant felony violations, refuse to change the laws, and then label those who insist the laws be followed as "intolerant."
Your solution to lawlessness is to break more more laws? You can't prosecute or punish children for crimes committed by their parents, that would be against the law, thank god.
Mircea, you are wrong. It is quite intolerant to have no sympathy for people that came here to better their lives during a time our employers and leaders chose to look the other way.
Have you ever actually been to Mexico? Something tells me if you were in their situation, you would come here too.
If not, could you kindly delineate for me what you would do to improve Mexican as a peasant with scant access to anything, much less basic resources such as electricity?
What does sympathy have to do with anything? If you TRULY have sympathy for them, you wouldn't want American businesses to treat them like second-class citizens by hiring them at below-minimum wage jobs. And don't be naive; employers and leaders did NOT look the other way. They were actively colluding to exploit these workers.
I'm sure that if I were in Mexico, I would first try to improve things there and, finding that hopeless, yes I would probably come here. Nobody is trying to demonize the actual immigrant. The guilty parties here are the Federal Govt which refuses to have a consistent, fair policy regarding immigration and the companies that hire the illegals. The illegals are the victims being exploited.
As far as what I would do to improve their lot, that is not my job. You should be asking that of the Mexican leaders.
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