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Ok, so you're saying that unemployment is ONLY fudged under a Republican president??
But the premise of this thread is that it is being fudged by Obama administration, something new.
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Even considering that much of Bush's fiscal moves were passed with a Democratic house?
He got 2001 and 2003 tax cuts passed. He got the unpaid $800B "reform" to Medicare passed. He got the military industrial complex reap the profits with two major wars. What more was he wanting that he didn't get?
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The current admin doesn't fudge the UE calculations?
Ok, so you're saying that unemployment is ONLY fudged under a Democratic president??
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Even if I cede to this partisan drivel... Does this change the fact that they are hiding the #'s??
Even if?
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Please if you are going to address me, don't do it selectively. I noticed you failed to address this issue in another thread. At least you did now.. Ineffectively I might add.
Remind me, if I do.
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How to get the UE from 9.0% to 8.6% Easy- drop 315,000 people from the total and no longer include them as 'looking for work'. 1.6 million filed for benefits in November. The true UE is in the UE 6 figure and it's 17% which includes unemployed, not getting benefits and no longer looking for work.
Next month they will drop another 315,000 and you will magically see the UE % at 7.9%
That isn't a new practice. It is how we had 5% unemployment rate with Bush in office, when only 3.9 million jobs were added against 10.3 million in growth on civilian labor force.
But the premise of this thread is that it is being fudged by Obama administration, something new.
They are... under severely different circumstances.
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He got 2001 and 2003 tax cuts passed. He got the unpaid $800B "reform" to Medicare passed. He got the military industrial complex reap the profits with two major wars. What more was he wanting that he didn't get?
I don't know?? You won't find a Bush apologist here.
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Ok, so you're saying that unemployment is ONLY fudged under a Democratic president??
No, I didn't say that. But I don't care what Bush did. I did at the time but Obama is running the show now.
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Even if?
Touche' .. I actually agree with you. I don't know why I typed that, however, this in no way absolves Obama.
They are... under severely different circumstances.
Fudging is not fudging, if conditions dictate or inconvenience prevails. Nice.
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I don't know?? You won't find a Bush apologist here.
I did. You. According to you, Bush couldn't get what he wanted. But then, you may be right. It was Cheney who got what he wanted, may not.
[qupte]No, I didn't say that. But I don't care what Bush did. I did at the time but Obama is running the show now. [/quote]
Well, if tunnel vision is your style, you go for it. People like me will try to provide you with a greater perspective.
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Touche' .. I actually agree with you. I don't know why I typed that.
Why do you think I've brought up incoherence in your arguments in that thread? Let us leave it there.
How to get the UE from 9.0% to 8.6% Easy- drop 315,000 people from the total and no longer include them as 'looking for work'. 1.6 million filed for benefits in November. The true UE is in the UE 6 figure and it's 17% which includes unemployed, not getting benefits and no longer looking for work.
Next month they will drop another 315,000 and you will magically see the UE % at 7.9%
The ironic point about this is that when people were returning to the "looking for status" which raised UE, nobody said anything except that the UE rate went up. If we're being consistent, the UE rate is the UE rate as the number of those "looking for or not looking for work" fluctuates. The number today is 8.6% and if the number next month is 7.9% then that's the number. I know it sucks for those that hate the president as much as the OP does to see the only glimmer of hope Willard might have in the general go up in smoke. Put partisan foolishness aside for a moment and be encouraged that the number is headed down.
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I don't know what 'experts' you were reading but ADP was predicting +120K a few days ago.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics doesn't fudge employment numbers at the request of the White House.
What this shows is that the economy is slowly improving. It still isn't anything near the Clinton employment numbers of an average gain of 250,000 per month but it's sure better than the last year of the Bush years.
Unemployment down, Obama policies working...Repugs trying to derail economy
Unemployment dropped to 8.6%: it seems Obama's economic policies are working.....and now repugnant republicans blocked the extension of middle class social security tax cuts.... Showing the country yet again that they work for the rich, and the rich ONLY! Their 1% elite masters control them. Wake up people, dems are the only ones on working for the middle class.
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But then, you may be right. It was Cheney who got what he wanted, may not.
Unemployment down, Obama policies working...Repugs trying to derail economy
