"Macy's Allegedly Fires Employee for Refusing Cross Dressing Man Access to Womens' Fitting Room" (claims, community)
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Clearly this guy was hellbent on going in women's lockerooms (he's been doing so for decades) regardless of any rules allowing the transgendered to use the facilities of the sex they live as.
I just don't buy the safety concern as a major issue at all. Letting legitimate transgenders in isn't a safety concern, and this whole "but the sex predators will come in droves" is just fear-mongering.
When you are in the subway do you allow your jewelry to show? Do you keep your wallet in a place which is easy to pick? Or do you take precautions against making oneself a potential victim? I went into the city with a group of friends years ago. I kept my necklaces under my shirt, turned my rings in, and kept my money in my boot -- with a few 'sacrificial' dollars in my purse in the event something happened. One woman in the group pooh-poohed us; she commuted downtown everyday, we were making too much of it. Her jewelry was very visible, her purse dangled from her arm. Guess who's chains were snatched on the subway platform?
The dressing room is an area where a woman can be vulnerable. She should be able to utilize the room free from concern as to who else is in the dressing room who is a male in womens clothing and who might have ulterior motives. Peeping Tom suspect busted at Cal | Crime Scene | an SFGate.com blog
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Many men would find it very, very shameful to be seen in public dressed as a women - that alone would keep some 99.9% of would be sex-predators away from women's facilities.
Would you please be so kind to provide the link to the research which supports this?
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Even if transgenders are allowed in women's facilities, it'd be a very, very rare occurrence: it'd be very rare to find any "man" - especially a clear cut identifiable man (many transgendered are very passable) - in a women's facility. As such, they'd be watched like a hawk, and it would be really dumb for them to try anything.
This is passing the liability for the actions of a potential wolf in sheep's clothing onto the employee as opposed to the store. Brother's keeper is one thing; but placing the employee in a position where their morals, beliefs, or personal safety is on the line?
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That would keep the other 0.1% away. Finally, just look at real-world examples. Many European countries have had laws for over a decade allowing the transgendered access to "more appropriate" facilities without issue. Many companies have Macy-like policies (especially in Europe) and have had no safety issues. Consider NYC and SF. Both cities have had laws for the last 6 years that let the transgendered use either bathroom - guess what, there hasn't been a flood of crossdressing male sex predators stalking and victimizing women in their facilities.
There might not have been a flood, but there have been some -- in other words, it has already happened. When things like this make the news -- you never know who is listening and who might consider this new approach of getting access to half dressed females?
“I think perhaps there’s a, there may be some copycats. There also may be increased awareness of this and perhaps better reporting. I think one of our operating premises is that sex assaults, these types of things are probably under-reported,” said Police Commissioner Ray Kelly.
Is there a reason you continue to use that as an insult against people you disagree with? For starters, not all transgender conditions are disorders. Transsexuality is a clinical disorder that needs treatment. Not all categories fall under the disorder heading.
Depression, ADHD, Autism, SAD, OCD, etc. are all mental disorders. The majority of humanity will suffer from at least one mental disorder in their lifetime.
Do you ridicule people who have cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc.? If not, then why do you ridicule people who have mental illness?
Should they have to make a 3rd fitting room just for transgender people? What if the roles had been reversed and it was a female going into the men's fitting room? Would the men even care that a female went in there? Say it was a transgender male but she hadn't changed her parts yet and the Macy's worker was a male.
This policy is fraught with problems because it opens up the fitting room for anyone to come in, and employees are not permitted to question it,” Staver said. “To me, it's a liability waiting to happen. It's just a matter of time that a man goes into a female fitting room and watches women undress or, even worse, rapes a woman.
I can't believe the workers lawyer used that as an example. You can get raped anywhere at anytime. Us women better not go outside alone anymore for fear of being raped. Isn't it a little extreme to think that some male would rape you in the fitting room? I mean sure it could happen but most have locks on them so people can't come in. You'd think the other people in the dressing room would be able to hear it in such a small space. I wonder if that worker ever said anything to the males that sit at the chair near the fitting room waiting for their wife, girlfriend, or whoever they're with. It's okay for them, yet a transgender female is not allowed to go in cause she's still a male.
Is there a reason you continue to use that as an insult against people you disagree with? For starters, not all transgender conditions are disorders. Transsexuality is a clinical disorder that needs treatment. Not all categories fall under the disorder heading.
Depression, ADHD, Autism, SAD, OCD, etc. are all mental disorders. The majority of humanity will suffer from at least one mental disorder in their lifetime.
Do you ridicule people who have cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc.? If not, then why do you ridicule people who have mental illness?
Just stating the facts, i didn't ridicule anyone your just sensitive.
Should they have to make a 3rd fitting room just for transgender people? What if the roles had been reversed and it was a female going into the men's fitting room? Would the men even care that a female went in there? Say it was a transgender male but she hadn't changed her parts yet and the Macy's worker was a male.
I couldn't care less since most of the fitting rooms I've been in are private with a latch on the door, so unless someone wants to crawl underneath the door, they aren't going to see me.
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