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Old 12-11-2011, 01:20 PM
 
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I love the self-hating Jew line. If you don't fall in lockstep with majority, you're clearly wracked with internal self-loathing. It's like people who rail against black conservatives simply out of principle. Only an ignorant fool would repeat lines like this.
This.

The whole notion that Jews, blacks, or any other group who dissent from the "official consensus" are somehow self hating is absurd.
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Old 12-11-2011, 01:22 PM
 
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From the American Council for Judaism website:

"All available evidence indicates that there is no such thing as a “Jewish vote,” and that Jewish voters cast their ballots on the basis of precisely the same issues as other voters....A recent Gallup Poll indicates that Jewish voters are less happy with President Obama because of the nation’s economic decline, not policy toward Israel....The quest for a mythical Israel-centered “Jewish vote” is causing the dangerous politicization of U.S. Middle East policy, and the government of Israel appears to be involving itself in internal American politics. Time’s Joe Klein declares that Netanyahu “has now overtly tossed his support to the Republicans.”

...The fact is that there is no Jewish vote — only the votes of millions of individual Jewish Americans. These ballots are cast on the same basis as are those of Americans of other faiths. It is a dangerous challenge to our democracy to try to divide voters on the basis of religion, and to do so on the basis of a false picture of U.S. Middle East policy is harmful to all — to Israel, to the Palestinians, to American interests in the region and, perhaps most important, to the truth itself."

US leaders need to put the foreign policy needs of the US first above those of Israel. The US and Israel can still be friends without the US slavishly being used by Israel to achieve its policy goals at the cost of discrediting the US abroad.
Interesting. Hey...if they say so. I'm not Jewish so it's not my issue. They can call their own vote anything they want.

However, it is a strange proclamation to make.
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Old 12-11-2011, 05:30 PM
 
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So what makes someone a "left wing nut job" to you other than their positions on economic issues? Traditionally that is what has defined "left" and "right".
granted this is from Wikipedia but I'm not doing a more thorough research for something trivial
The terms Left and Right were coined during the French Revolution, referring to the seating arrangement in the Estates General; those who sat on the left generally supported the radical changes of the revolution, including the creation of a republic and secularization.

which perfectly defines ACJ (who's main concern is on the so called-ever expanding "separation of church and state")
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Old 12-11-2011, 05:39 PM
 
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Being Jewish is more than religious. There's a cultural and ethnic component. Most Jewish Americans have a select few issues that they tend to agree on no different than any other demographic in this country.
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Old 12-11-2011, 05:43 PM
 
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I love the self-hating Jew line. If you don't fall in lockstep with majority, you're clearly wracked with internal self-loathing. It's like people who rail against black conservatives simply out of principle. Only an ignorant fool would repeat lines like this.
out of curiosity do you know anything about the organization in question. This organization I would call this organization self hating jews even if they stuck to local issues only. Only an ignorant fool would defend an orginazation they know nothing about.
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Old 12-11-2011, 05:49 PM
 
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This.

The whole notion that Jews, blacks, or any other group who dissent from the "official consensus" are somehow self hating is absurd.
the consensus comes from every group (that are completely at odd with one another) but the one in question.
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Old 12-11-2011, 05:51 PM
 
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Being Jewish is more than religious. There's a cultural and ethnic component. Most Jewish Americans have a select few issues that they tend to agree on no different than any other demographic in this country.
that's not true most American jews agree on what ever the left wing of the democratic platform is.
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Old 12-11-2011, 05:55 PM
 
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that's not true most American jews agree on what ever the left wing of the democratic platform is.
I would think Israel is an important issue among Jewish voters. Is that accurate?
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Old 12-11-2011, 06:20 PM
 
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out of curiosity do you know anything about the organization in question. This organization I would call this organization self hating jews even if they stuck to local issues only. Only an ignorant fool would defend an orginazation they know nothing about.
Try to understand that the comment has nothing to do with the organization and everything to do with your assumptions about the internal motivations of your opponents because you lack the ability to sufficiently represent their position.
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Old 12-11-2011, 07:14 PM
 
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Try to understand that the comment has nothing to do with the organization and everything to do with your assumptions about the internal motivations of your opponents because you lack the ability to sufficiently represent their position.
OK acording to your brilliant explanation Lev Bronstein wasn't a self hating jew because I "lack the ability to sufficiently represent his position". and I guess you lack the intellectual ability to understand what a self hating jew is.
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