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How much do the Residents of this burg pay for the Police? For educating their children to be just like them. For operating a library (probably don't know how to read anyway) For fixing the roads or tending the jail.
I think the comment, "probably don't know how to read anyway," is highly offensive. These are just normal people, trying to get by. Someone who espouses socialist sensibilities should really try to empathize with these people. Think about why some rural people make the choices the do.
But if people have neighbors what will the firefighters do. Let all the houses next to the burning one become damaged even if those residents have paid? I would have paid the fee but I also feel the local community should just automatically charge everyone the fee as it is in the best interest of the community to have sufficient public safety workers.
For me this is not a political left/right issue. It is better to protect the whole community from something that can spread, like fire, than to let there be gaps and potentially cause property damage against those that did pay. Those who are damaged could potentially have a case against the local authorities for not providing adequate services for their money.
1. The homeowners insurance is paid by the homeowner. Did you want to simply add the 75 $ to what the owner pays the insurance company?
Depending on the individual policy of insurance (though $75.00 would be within most people's policy deductible), the firefighting bill may very well be a recoverable cost to remediate a peril covered under the policy (fire loss).
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2. PAY AFTER the service is rendered? That's kinda like offering to pay an insurance company for insurance, AFTER you had an accident to get them to pay to fix the car...
Again, firefighting service is NOT INSURANCE.
INSURANCE addresses PAYMENT for remediation of damages AFTER an emergency or casualty.
FIREFIGHTING SERVICE (like medical service) addresses the emergency AS IT HAPPENS, or immediately after the emergency to mitigate damages.
This isn't a situation of having insurance vs. not having insurance. This is about STOPPING an emergency event or casualty AS IT HAPPENS.
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A civilized society expect people to be responsible for their actions.
CIvilized society is civilized BECAUSE it recognizes that people are not perfect, and attempts to have an orderly organization based on that truth. It's why even visitors to a city are afforded police protection, even though they pay no tax for maintenance of said police force. It's why school children are sent to school, even if their parents are behind on property tax.
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If you can't take be responsible enough to put tires on your car, they are going to either go flat or cause an accident.
Not analagous.
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If you don't pay your insurance policy, they aren't going to cover you,
Not analgous.
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and if your fire department is in ANOTHER COUNTY, and they request you pay 75$ a year, (A whopping $6.25 a month) to respond to a fire at your home, you pay the money, or don't expect service.
Wrong. If the firefighters SHOW UP and WATCH and DO NOTHING as a home is burned... when they have ALREADY expended man and equipment hours to GET THERE, then they, in my opinion, void whatever the firefighting oath is.
Morally bankrupt. Somethings are just RIGHT, even if not provided for by contract.
But if people have neighbors what will the firefighters do. Let all the houses next to the burning one become damaged even if those residents have paid? I would have paid the fee but I also feel the local community should just automatically charge everyone the fee as it is in the best interest of the community to have sufficient public safety workers.
For me this is not a political left/right issue. It is better to protect the whole community from something that can spread, like fire, than to let there be gaps and potentially cause property damage against those that did pay. Those who are damaged could potentially have a case against the local authorities for not providing adequate services for their money.
The local community cannot just decide to charge people who don't live in the community fees or taxes. These people live OUTSIDE the community. The people IN the community have voted to pay a tax that supports the VOLUNTEER fire department in the community. The people IN the community have offered to people who live OUTSIDE the community to extend the firefighting services to their residences and businesses, if the people OUTSIDE the community pay a small fee to subscribe to the firefighting service.
The county can allow all the people living within the county to vote if they want to pay these fees as taxes. The county can't just arbitrarily decide to add taxes to county residents tax bills. It requires the people of the county to vote for such taxes. And many won't vote for such taxes, because it doesn't benefit them. If the fire department can't get to you within a certain amount of time, your house will burn down. That's a fact of rural living. If the only water source is your well, your house will burn down. Many rural residents don't pay the voluntary fees because it simply makes no difference. The fire department cannot respond quickly and doesn't have the resources to put out a fire if the homeowner can't put out the fire himself with the garden hose. Why pay for a service that is ineffectual?
Depending on the individual policy of insurance (though $75.00 would be within most people's policy deductible), the firefighting bill may very well be a recoverable cost to remediate a peril covered under the policy (fire loss).
Again, firefighting service is NOT INSURANCE.
INSURANCE addresses PAYMENT for remediation of damages AFTER an emergency or casualty.
FIREFIGHTING SERVICE (like medical service) addresses the emergency AS IT HAPPENS, or immediately after the emergency to mitigate damages.
This isn't a situation of having insurance vs. not having insurance. This is about STOPPING an emergency event or casualty AS IT HAPPENS.
CIvilized society is civilized BECAUSE it recognizes that people are not perfect, and attempts to have an orderly organization based on that truth. It's why even visitors to a city are afforded police protection, even though they pay no tax for maintenance of said police force. It's why school children are sent to school, even if their parents are behind on property tax.
Not analagous.
Not analgous.
Wrong. If the firefighters SHOW UP and WATCH and DO NOTHING as a home is burned... when they have ALREADY expended man and equipment hours to GET THERE, then they, in my opinion, void whatever the firefighting oath is.
Morally bankrupt. Somethings are just RIGHT, even if not provided for by contract.
Firefighting service is not insurance.
Firefighting service is also not a right.
If you want firefighting service to be provided, you pay for it in advance. Just like if you want insurance coverage, you pay for it in advance. If you don't pay for the firefighting service, why should anyone else? If no one pays for the firefighting service, how would it be available, to anyone?
Maybe the homeowners are Republican and do not want their taxes going to "parasitic union thugs (public workers)who suck up all their taxes"....so they may have been HAPPY not to have to pay firefighters....as Republicans do, they may have wanted something for nothing.
Owe you another +.
lmfao-Kuchief...a CASINO in Paducah ???? wow.
Those Appalachians prolly vote (R) and GOP and look at the contempt you have for them. Plus they prolly dont have 75.00. Visit Church Hill, Tennessee sometime. Yes they sure do live the high life there
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???? wow. 
