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Old 12-07-2011, 06:48 PM
 
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I wonder how many people against this type of program are pro-militarization. I have my bets going already.
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Old 12-07-2011, 06:48 PM
 
Location: California
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Look into FMLA. If I remember the way my employer handles it you take FMLA for a month and use up your accrued sick and vacation time then after I think 3 months if you don't want to return short term disablity kicks in and you can receive 60% of your salary. My wife took off I think a month and used vacation time so we were paid while on FMLA. By law you can take up to a year and still return at your same position no matter what the payment arrangements with the companies HR dept are.
I think I took 8 weeks off. 2 before birth and 6 after, or something in that range. A combo of paid time off and short term disability. I had many sick days saved up! That was a long time ago though. I don't think any company should pay a woman for months/years to have a baby. That's really lame.
It's still a gamble taking a lot of time off since, law or no law, there may not be a job to come back to these days.
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Old 12-07-2011, 06:48 PM
 
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Actually you don't since the US has never had this type of program AND since other countries with these types of programs actually put their money where their mouths are.

The US has been paying for mothers to be single and have babies for a long time...
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Old 12-07-2011, 06:49 PM
 
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The US has been paying for mothers to be single and have babies for a long time...
No it hasn't. Stop spinning and let's talk facts, shall we? If I wanted to watch Fox News I wouldn't have cancelled my cable.
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Old 12-07-2011, 06:59 PM
 
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No, that's a work-at-will state. That still doesn't give them the right to fire someone for requesting FMLA as long as it falls under the FMLA Act.
Call it what you want it's all the same. However, I misunderstood you pertaining to someone requesting FMLA.
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Old 12-07-2011, 07:07 PM
 
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I don't think any company should pay a woman for months/years to have a baby. That's really lame.
It's still a gamble taking a lot of time off since, law or no law, there may not be a job to come back to these days.
Let's not forget... some women are serial birthers. They can take time off for YEARS. All the more encouragement to discriminate against women of child-bearing age.
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Old 12-07-2011, 07:08 PM
 
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I would never offer paid compensation for no work, as a benefit. It sends the wrong message (and no doubt this vulgar mentality is almost entirely the reason people think they should be entitled to get paid this freebie. The idea simply spreads not only in the private sector, but much worse the idea spreads like a bad Internet meme in the sphere of public policy such that people are not simply content to ask this of their employer, some actually want politicians to mandate it).

I would negotiate with an employee about a great many compensation possibilities, but that one I would take completely off the table as being absolutely beyond the pale of consideration. If an employee wants more pay, a better position, longer vacation package, I could accept that. I will not consider paying somebody for not working.

If any other employer wants to compete by offering such a ludicrous compensation package, they are more than free to do so. I won't willingly be a participant in it, however. If it means I have to compete against other employers who offer such a perk, so be it, that's life. That will just be a hardship of life I have to pay for.

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If a female gets raped and they can't find the perpetrator to hold him accountable and make him pay dearly through the nose every penny compensation due, then you can maybe consider a "government program" that deals with that (not that people should accept that without question, either... but at least you have the fact that it is not your fault going for you such that you are a legitimate victim who deserves in some way to be compensated for your loss and damages - making it not too dissimilar from the way that taxpayers also have to fund court judgments for civil right violations which were perpetrated by public servants). That's it's own discussion, though. However, that circumstance is not even remotely qualitatively similar to a woman who was a co-cause of a hardship by ones own actions, only to then demand a compensation package from others, whether that demand be directly thrust upon the employer, or on the backs of all taxpayers (but more specifically those who would choose to not reward you for your actions that caused that situation - since it is not the people who would pay for such a thing that are the object of my objection), as part of some new program. Unlike the case of rape, it's an attempt to reject the encompassing responsibilities that often come with bringing that misfortune on oneself, pawning off their problems on society writ large.

Anyone that wants to pay for such a program willingly, have at it. Check the proverbial or literal box on the tax form which says you wish to be a participant in that program. And likewise, I consider it more than reasonable for you to benefit from such a program should the time ever come where you are the recipient, rather than the donor. And any Europeans want to do it, same to them. Don't expect that others want to donate to that program though, simply because you are eager to. And that includes Europeans alike. Anybody that acts like Europeans are in some kind of enlightened consensus about that public policy is probably intentionally ignoring those [often vocal] voices of dissent over there from those who find it just as unacceptable as many in the U.S. do.
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Old 12-07-2011, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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Listen folks, having babies isn't a ploy to get welfare, it's the reason you're all here. I'm getting a little tired of how lightly the job of having kids is being taken. It's what we are made to do, it has far more meaning then saving the government tax payers a few bucks. It should be covered and expected for woman who work. If you don't want woman working pay men a salary that can actually support a darn family!!!
If you all don't have a little respect we can stop having babies at anytime and see where that'll get ya. You definitely won't have to worry about financial obligation with no population.
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Old 12-07-2011, 07:10 PM
 
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No it hasn't. Stop spinning and let's talk facts, shall we? If I wanted to watch Fox News I wouldn't have cancelled my cable.
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Limitations - The credit is limited if your modified adjusted gross income is above a certain amount. The amount at which this phase-out begins varies depending on your filing status. For married taxpayers filing a joint return, the phase-out begins at $110,000. For married taxpayers filing a separate return, it begins at $55,000. For all other taxpayers, the phase-out begins at $75,000. In addition, the Child Tax Credit is generally limited by the amount of the income tax you owe as well as any alternative minimum tax you owe.

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That's just a few... There's a whole slew of state run programs.
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Old 12-07-2011, 07:10 PM
 
Location: California
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Let's not forget... some women are serial birthers. They can take time off for YEARS. All the more encouragement to discriminate against women of child-bearing age.
I imagine they would have to return to work for a period of time to be eligible for pay again...kind of like unemployment. I don't know. It's just mind boggling to think anyone would support that kind of thing though.
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