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Old 12-09-2011, 06:45 AM
 
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Much like there is a big difference between health care and emergency care.

Anyway, since you capitalize socialized medicine, I'd be interested to know how you believe the european UHC nations organize the delivery of health care?
I don't live in Europe. Do you??
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Old 12-09-2011, 06:55 AM
 
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I don't live in Europe. Do you??
I've spent years living in Europe, starting with doing my degree in the UK. I've seen the differences in several European health care systems. In my experience, most people that refer to it as "Socialized Medicine" at best refer to the Canadian system, at worst, some hobgoblin of their own imaginations.
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Old 12-09-2011, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Of course I understand the difference. I thought, on this thread, that we were using the terms interchangeably though since the topic is Socialized Medicine. Like another poster said, yes, if an uninsured person is hit by a car he will be transferred to a hospital and treated. However, that person would not be able to afford medications, follow up appointments and occupational therapy to help him fully recover.
The patient would also get a bill for $50,000 - $100,000.

Just because an ambulance picks one up and brings one to a hospital when injured doesn't mean the treatment is free. The hospital expects to get paid, either via insurance or by billing the patient.
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Old 12-09-2011, 07:15 AM
 
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Works fine for those who are responsible.
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Old 12-09-2011, 07:16 AM
 
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Works fine for those who are responsible.
What do you mean?
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Old 12-09-2011, 07:16 AM
 
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The patient would also get a bill for $50,000 - $100,000.

Just because an ambulance picks one up and brings one to a hospital when injured doesn't mean the treatment is free. The hospital expects to get paid, either via insurance or by billing the patient.
Oh yea.. because everybody is so fiscally responsible when they get hit with a 50,000 bill..

I mean, the future of this country defaults on federal school loans and want to be bailed out for it.....

But somebody living below the poverty line would NEVER let a $50,000 bill go unpaid. Or even expect it to be waived.
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Old 12-09-2011, 07:17 AM
 
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Oh yea.. because everybody is so fiscally responsible when they get hit with a 50,000 bill..

I mean, the future of this country defaults on federal school loans and want to be bailed out for it.....

But somebody living below the poverty line would NEVER let a $50,000 bill go unpaid. Or even expect it to be waived.
I think that is kind of MTA's point. It's a broken system.
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Old 12-09-2011, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I thought they were, on this thread. *shrug* It really doesn't change the point most of us are making. Charitable organizations and not-for-profits haven't picked up the slack thus far. What makes you think this will change? They simply don't have the resources to help all. Hell, one could spend thousands and thousands of dollars on a simple knee surgery, let alone therapy and medication.

No, the current system is not working.
I agree. It's preposterous to think that charity would able to pay for the general public's health care. That's fantasy talk.

Charities are struggling now. They don't have the resources to provide anything with any sizable scope.
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Old 12-09-2011, 07:31 AM
 
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This is about as honest as I am going to get on the subject....

I have NO problems with Socialist socio-economic principles as a TEMPORARY bandage. In actuality, that is the basis they are grounded in.

The problem is... the state is not inherently altruistic. So they become the norm because it grants absolute power. Which is why my ideology infinitely detracts from it.
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Old 12-09-2011, 07:31 AM
 
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The patient would also get a bill for $50,000 - $100,000.

Just because an ambulance picks one up and brings one to a hospital when injured doesn't mean the treatment is free. The hospital expects to get paid, either via insurance or by billing the patient.
OK then pay your bill. Pay fifty bucks a month, five bucks a month whatever you can. I think paying off bills has become a foreign concept to many today. They want to run up a bunch of debt claim bankruptcy and then do it again. Too bad medical bills can't be charged off. Pay em. I do.
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