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Old 12-10-2011, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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So the NLRB dropped the lawsuit against Boeing after a contract was reached by the Corp. and union.The union dropped the complaint when in the contract it gained more work for its members.
I believe that this will benefit the SC employees as well. Boeing will now have to keep it's wages and benefits at rates equal to or better then those in it's union work places. The GOP is claiming a victory but people are the victors as they now can see the use of a non-partizen agency in controlling large Corp. to play fairly
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Old 12-10-2011, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Extortion, with government providing the muscle.
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Old 12-10-2011, 08:36 AM
 
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So the NLRB dropped the lawsuit against Boeing after a contract was reached by the Corp. and union.The union dropped the complaint when in the contract it gained more work for its members.
I believe that this will benefit the SC employees as well. Boeing will now have to keep it's wages and benefits at rates equal to or better then those in it's union work places. The GOP is claiming a victory but people are the victors as they now can see the use of a non-partizen agency in controlling large Corp. to play fairly
No one is victorious when the federal government gets involved in state and private issues.. Tell me how the people are victors if this causes more companies to build overseas rather than be attacked by governmen all the time?
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Old 12-10-2011, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Here
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So the NLRB dropped the lawsuit against Boeing after a contract was reached by the Corp. and union.The union dropped the complaint when in the contract it gained more work for its members.
I believe that this will benefit the SC employees as well. Boeing will now have to keep it's wages and benefits at rates equal to or better then those in it's union work places. The GOP is claiming a victory but people are the victors as they now can see the use of a non-partizen agency in controlling large Corp. to play fairly
Let me guess, you're a union member of some sort.
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Old 12-10-2011, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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The large corp. will still have the ability to use the state govts. against each other to get sweatheart deals on land and taxes.
The NLRB entered into the deal because Boeing didn't want to bargin in good faith with its employees. The large corps. that want to manufacture here will continue too. They will learn from this as will the unions. The largest error was the reaction of the Repub. and not letting the process move along
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Old 12-10-2011, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Let me guess, you're a union member of some sort.
No, but I was until 1989 when we decertified a teamster local using the NLRB in the process. It just showed me that the govt. has useful tools when used right
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Old 12-10-2011, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Riverside
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No one is victorious when the federal government gets involved in state and private issues.. Tell me how the people are victors if this causes more companies to build overseas rather than be attacked by governmen all the time?
US companies go "overseas" (or to "right to work" states) to avoid fair taxes, exploit cheap labor, pillage raw materials, and destroy the local environment, all to maximise profit for their shareholders, expand their markets, and minimize operating expenses.

To do so, they bribe the officials whose country (or state) they favor with their "business", and avoid althogether their responsibilities to the communities they started out in, and to the US, the nation that gave them birth, and in which their CEO's and board members live like royalty.

NOW, when a company such as Boeing acts responsibly, it realizes it has OTHER moral responsibilities than just making a profit. It is in a partner relationship with the people of the City of Seattle, where the company was born, and whose officials provide a favorable environment for the company, while the company provides excellent jobs for the citizens.

Thus, the citizens of Seattle can afford to BUY TICKETS on Boeing-made planes, thus the airlines place orders with Boeing for their product, thus Boeing makes money, the workers make money, the stockholders make money, and everyone is happy.

This relationship doesn't always happen voluntarily. Greed is part of human nature. The regulatory agencies of the government, such as the EPA, the NLRB, and the SEC, are there to keep greed in check.

The problem starts when US companies are overcome with greed. They forget, or bribe their way out of, their other moral responsibilities, and act as though maximizing profit was their only consideration.
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Old 12-10-2011, 09:14 AM
 
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US companies go "overseas" (or to "right to work" states) to avoid fair taxes, exploit cheap labor, pillage raw materials, and destroy the local environment, all to maximise profit for their shareholders, expand their markets, and minimize operating expenses.

To do so, they bribe the officials whose country (or state) they favor with their "business", and avoid althogether their responsibilities to the communities they started out in, and to the US, the nation that gave them birth, and in which their CEO's and board members live like royalty.

NOW, when a company such as Boeing acts responsibly, it realizes it has OTHER moral responsibilities than just making a profit. It is in a partner relationship with the people of the City of Seattle, where the company was born, and whose officials provide a favorable environment for the company, while the company provides excellent jobs for the citizens.

Thus, the citizens of Seattle can afford to BUY TICKETS on Boeing-made planes, thus the airlines place orders with Boeing for their product, thus Boeing makes money, the workers make money, the stockholders make money, and everyone is happy.

This relationship doesn't always happen voluntarily. Greed is part of human nature. The regulatory agencies of the government, such as the EPA, the NLRB, and the SEC, are there to keep greed in check.

The problem starts when US companies are overcome with greed. They forget, or bribe their way out of, their other moral responsibilities, and act as though maximizing profit was their only consideration.
Boeing was already acting responsibly. its a shame you typed all of that, and failed completely with recognizing the current discussion.
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Old 12-10-2011, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Boeing was already acting responsibly. its a shame you typed all of that, and failed completely with recognizing the current discussion.
Well I think Boeing acted in a less then responsbil way and that showed to the NLRB or that lawsuit woulnt have been filed. This is a process that works because it is based on laws not emotions.
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Old 12-10-2011, 09:37 AM
 
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Well I think Boeing acted in a less then responsbil way and that showed to the NLRB or that lawsuit woulnt have been filed. This is a process that works because it is based on laws not emotions.
What law exactly was violated? Anyone can file a lawsuit for any reason.. Dont you know that?
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