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Originally Posted by parfleche
Only the rich use gasoline,heat thier homes,etc. why do ordinary Americans have to foot the bill for them! just kidding
LoL. I've been saying this all along... when American's decides to get serious about green energy, give up their cars, their heating oil, and electricity produced from natural gas.. then they can gripe about the oil and gas industry. Until then... Hypocrites...
While I can understand (at least to an extent) Nebraska's concerns over the pipeline and their water supply, Trans-Canada agreed to re-route the line to ease their concerns. And this will be at a lot of expense. Now, the only thing that's standing in the way is the President. And he's making this issue all about the election. The contractors consortium chosen to build the line are all union contractors. Obama doesn't want to tick them off. He's got environmentalists griping in the other ear. He doesn't want to tick them off either. So he took the cowards way out.... JMHO. A project of this magnitude built with private funds shouldn't be used as a pawn in the election game our politicians (both sides) are playing...
It'll be approved right after the election, or once the new route has been approved. Whichever happens first.
This is a Republican red herring. Its not going to create that many jobs, the people of the state that stands to have the most jobs created doesn't want the pipeline where it was proposed.
Its already been proposed to be moved, the state department and interior are looking at the new route, and it'll likely be approved for the new route. But to hear Republicans, this is the reason your gas is over 3.00 a gallon, and the reason why unemployment hasn't dropped 5%.
Lets be real about the pipeline, and what it'll do for us.
Extending tax relief will cost the government big time. Allowing the pipeline will create jobs and, in turn, create government funds and, at the same time, reduce expenses for unemployment, etc. Looks to me to be tit for tat -- a way to balance loss of income with extra income. Call me stupid, but it makes sense to me.
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Originally Posted by Memphis1979
Lets be real about the pipeline, and what it'll do for us.
Some of us do know... and therein lies the problem.. the government and the everyday Joe who doesn't know the gas/oil business doesn't. The politicians use business (every business, not just oil/gas) for their own benefit. And the everyday American doesn't have a clue unless they work in the industry. They spew what they believe to be facts that they've read in the paper or seen on the news. Lemmings. The truth about the pipeline is like most truth's in general. The truth usually lies somewhere about the middle........
How large are the shipments of that oil that is coming to Texas today? How long does it take for it to go by pipe line to the ports? How many more jobs are dependent on that kind of shipping than would be for 3 or 4 years to build that much faster method?
What is the excuse Obama uses to keep this from happening? He doesn't even try to mention the 20,000 jobs for Americans to build the pipeline does he?
sorry charlie, as has been pointed out to you before, even Keystone doesn't think it's going to create 20,000 permanent jobs. More like 13,000 -- TEMPORARY-- jobs. And that's the optimistic double counting from Keystone. The State dept. says only 5,000 temp jobs and a couple of hundred permanent jobs.
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Originally Posted by txgolfer130
sorry charlie, as has been pointed out to you before, even Keystone doesn't think it's going to create 20,000 permanent jobs. More like 13,000 -- TEMPORARY-- jobs. And that's the optimistic double counting from Keystone. The State dept. says only 5,000 temp jobs and a couple of hundred permanent jobs.
Five Thousand good paying job, even if temporary, are better than 0 correct?
The oil coming through that pipeline is called Canadian Hardisty and it is very heavy oil.
Someone somewhat knowledgeable about oil correctly stated the oil would be exported.
Who on this forum would like to know why?
As far as the Extravagant American Life-Styleâ„¢ is concerned, that oil is totally freaking useless to you and might as well not even exist. That is why it is exported. The only thing more useless than very heavy oil to an American living the Extravagant American Life-Styleâ„¢ is heavy oil, which you have more of than anything else, and some people want to tear up Alaska so you can have more useless heavy oil that is totally useless to you.
The US doesn't even have the refinery capacity for heavy oils, which is why the US exports California Heavy and Alaskan North Slope.
I guess I'll have to walk people through this, but according the the Canadian Government, specifically to wit the government of Alberta, your beloved Canadian Hardisty that will be running through your beloved pipeline sells for...
$502.12 per cubic meter.
From our knowledge base, we know that 1 cubic meter is equal to 264 gallons.
Therefore: $502.12 / 264 = $1.90 per gallon.
Since one barrel of oil has 42 gallons, then
$1.90 * 42 = $79.88 per barrel.
You were frothing at the mouth about oil being $100 per barrel?
Well, West Texas Intermediate, which is NOT an heavy oil is selling for $100.99/barrel and Brent Blend which is NOT an heavy oil is selling for $110/barrel, but then Brent Blend is a light oil, not an intermediate oil like WTI.
Heavy oils always sell for less than light and intermediate grade oils, because heavy oils are the least valuable, unless you happen to be a developing nation and you're using heavy oil to power your electrical plants (and you are into the Joy of Asphalt).
For someone who keeps fawning over a pipeline, you don't seem to know much about oil. I hope this educational session helps you.
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Originally Posted by aus10
LoL. I've been saying this all along... when American's decides to get serious about green energy, give up their cars, their heating oil, and electricity produced from natural gas.. then they can gripe about the oil and gas industry. Until then... Hypocrites...
Uh, yeah, it's Supply & Demand. If people want oil prices to drop, then stop consuming. It's not rocket science.
The overwhelming vast majority of oil that is refined in the US is not used for gasoline, it is used for the Extravagant American Life-Styleâ„¢.
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The US doesn't even have the refinery capacity for heavy oils, which is why the US exports California Heavy and Alaskan North Slope.
I thought the Wood River Conoco Phillips refinery could. If not now.. I think their gearing up for it... Also thinking that there was one in CO. Also Marathon in Detroit was also upgrading for it.
It'll be approved right after the election, or once the new route has been approved. Whichever happens first.
This is a Republican red herring. Its not going to create that many jobs, the people of the state that stands to have the most jobs created doesn't want the pipeline where it was proposed.
Its already been proposed to be moved, the state department and interior are looking at the new route, and it'll likely be approved for the new route. But to hear Republicans, this is the reason your gas is over 3.00 a gallon, and the reason why unemployment hasn't dropped 5%.
Lets be real about the pipeline, and what it'll do for us.
So you think someone other than you has said that 20,000 shovel ready jobs will drop unemployment by nearly 4%? Now you don't think like that but you are sure trying to do something to make Obama look like something other than what we both see.
The oil coming through that pipeline is called Canadian Hardisty and it is very heavy oil.
Someone somewhat knowledgeable about oil correctly stated the oil would be exported.
Who on this forum would like to know why?
As far as the Extravagant American Life-Styleâ„¢ is concerned, that oil is totally freaking useless to you and might as well not even exist. That is why it is exported. The only thing more useless than very heavy oil to an American living the Extravagant American Life-Styleâ„¢ is heavy oil, which you have more of than anything else, and some people want to tear up Alaska so you can have more useless heavy oil that is totally useless to you.
The US doesn't even have the refinery capacity for heavy oils, which is why the US exports California Heavy and Alaskan North Slope.
I guess I'll have to walk people through this, but according the the Canadian Government, specifically to wit the government of Alberta, your beloved Canadian Hardisty that will be running through your beloved pipeline sells for...
$502.12 per cubic meter.
From our knowledge base, we know that 1 cubic meter is equal to 264 gallons.
Therefore: $502.12 / 264 = $1.90 per gallon.
Since one barrel of oil has 42 gallons, then
$1.90 * 42 = $79.88 per barrel.
You were frothing at the mouth about oil being $100 per barrel?
Well, West Texas Intermediate, which is NOT an heavy oil is selling for $100.99/barrel and Brent Blend which is NOT an heavy oil is selling for $110/barrel, but then Brent Blend is a light oil, not an intermediate oil like WTI.
Heavy oils always sell for less than light and intermediate grade oils, because heavy oils are the least valuable, unless you happen to be a developing nation and you're using heavy oil to power your electrical plants (and you are into the Joy of Asphalt).
For someone who keeps fawning over a pipeline, you don't seem to know much about oil. I hope this educational session helps you.
Uh, yeah, it's Supply & Demand. If people want oil prices to drop, then stop consuming. It's not rocket science.
The overwhelming vast majority of oil that is refined in the US is not used for gasoline, it is used for the Extravagant American Life-Styleâ„¢.
What is that: Extravagant American Life-Style? i sure don't understand how you put this all at the door or our way of living. You never explain that but they used to say it was because we used machines that get very little mileage because of their size. We have down sized so much and are still accused of that crap. Will you explain the hard part of what you say?
While you are at it maybe you could tell me why our refining capacity has never expanded with out needs for oil refining. Maybe you could explain some why some of us are unable to understand why the government has held us back for 40 or so years. Regulation aimed at less use has done no good but the environmentalists have tried very hard.
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