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Old 12-14-2011, 03:55 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Ohhhhhhh really?


White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said in a statement that changes lawmakers made to the legislation to accomodate White House concerns were sufficient to avoid a veto. The statement was issued just before the House was expected to vote on the conferenced House-Senate version of the National Defense Authorization Act.


On National Defense Authorization Act, Obama pulls veto threat - POLITICO.com


"This legislation erodes our society and our national security by militarizing our justice system and empowering the president to detain anyone in the United States, including American citizens without charge or trial, without due process," Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-Fla.) said. "If this is going to continue to be the direction of our country, we don't need a Democratic Party, a Republican party, an Occupy Wall Street party or a Tea Party. We need a Mayflower party....this legislation goes too far."

"I know you're very learned people and very conscientious but, please, when the heads of the FBI, Republicans, judges all tell you that you're doing the wrong thing, what does it take for us to vote this down?" Conyers asked. "It will now make it OK to lock up U.S. citizens."




Defense bill revised in bid to avoid veto - POLITICO.com

"The latest version of the defense authorization bill does nothing to address the bill’s core problems – legislated indefinite detention without charge and the militarization of law enforcement,” said Andrea Prasow of Human Rights Watch, “With these fundamental problems remaining, the administration should make good on its veto threat.”



“The Senate-passed version of the NDAA, S. 1867, contains Section 1031, which authorizes indefinite military detention of suspected terrorists without protecting U.S. citizens’ right to trial. We are deeply concerned that this provision could undermine the Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh, and Eighth amendment rights of U.S. citizens who might be subjects of detention or prosecution by the military,” states the letter.



http://hankjohnson.house.gov/issues/Final%20Letter%20to%20NDAA%20Conferees%20re%20Deta inees%2012%2012%202011.pdf (broken link)

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Old 12-14-2011, 04:10 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Another letter:

From Congressman Justin Amash (R-MI)

http://amash.house.gov/sites/amash.h...rcolleague.pdf

It was pulled from today's agenda earlier but they just put it back on!

"The Senate attempted to Obscure the NDAA's effects on American citizens by inserting language that might seem to exempt Americans from the bill. Don't be fooled: In no way does the Senate's "fix" block the President from detaining America citizens indefinitely"

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Old 12-14-2011, 05:05 PM
 
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"Game over man, game over". Aliens

This somehow describes the mood.
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Old 12-14-2011, 05:20 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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The bill just passed it looks like.


"The House passed the NDAA conference report, which permits the indefinite detention of Americans without charge or trial, on a vote of 283-136. I voted no. The roll call is attached.

Our efforts increased the number of Republican "no" votes from 6 to 43. Unfortunately, the number of Democratic "no" votes stayed about the same as the May roll call.

They had to pull every trick in the book to beat us. Be proud of your efforts. We are making a difference. The bill still must go to the Senate and the President."

(Justin Amash R-MI)


FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 932
(Republicans in roman; Democrats in italic; Independents underlined)

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll932.xml

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Old 12-14-2011, 05:37 PM
 
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This my friends is how liberty dies. Nothing short of a miracle can help us now.

I hate sounding negative but one can not help themselves at this point.

Time to refresh myself on some weapons training.
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Old 12-14-2011, 05:40 PM
 
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I'm very concerned, to the point where I've been emailing my Senators all day. Bernie Sanders voted no before and I expect him to vote No again.
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Old 12-14-2011, 05:43 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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I'm very concerned, to the point where I've been emailing my Senators all day. Bernie Sanders voted no before and I expect him to vote No again.

But people said Obama was going to Veto it....remember?

Obama NEVER lies...


He just changed his mind...kind of like he did on Guatanamo, the Patriot Act....


PS: I am past the point of being concerned. I have been shaking for the past hour, my head is about to explode and I just want to break down.

WHERE IS THIS COUNTRY HEADED?!

What is next? Taking our guns away? Our "Free" speech?
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Indefinite detention of US citizens without trial.

We've been scared of terrorists for way to long.
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:18 PM
 
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Indefinite detention of US citizens without trial.

We've been scared of terrorists for way to long.

We should be more scared of those in Washington.
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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We should be more scared of those in Washington.

You know whats weird? The very people who say they fear government, supported this bill.

Republicans complain about socialism and big government, but go right ahead and let that same big government lock up citizens without trial, forever.

I don't even know if someone could use legal recourse, because they'd be detained without trial.
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