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Old 12-15-2011, 06:13 AM
 
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We should end ALL wars.

War on drugs
War on terror
War on poverty
Afghanistan
Iraq
Uganda

Etc.

Y a forgot the war on the american taxpayer.
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Old 12-16-2011, 09:34 AM
 
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That's selective.

Why wont conservatives admit that the War on Terror and the War on Drugs is a failure. Those sure as hell cost billions too. Trillions even.

You mean conservatives like Will Buckley, Ron Paul, and Milton Friedman?
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Old 12-16-2011, 09:44 AM
 
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You mean conservatives like Will Buckley, Ron Paul, and Milton Friedman?
indeed

William F. Buckley Jr. Is Dead at 82 - New York Times
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Old 12-16-2011, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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America needs to put policies in place that allow for economic growth and well-paying jobs that will eliminate the benefits to scamming entitlement programs.

Wal Mart is by far the largest employer for people receiving welfare and it has been said that they actually teach their employees how to best qualify for Medicaid/Food Stamps while still working.

Get Middle-Class jobs back and then we can talk about cutting welfare programs.
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Old 12-16-2011, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Greer
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All these poverty programs have created only more poverty.

In fact millions of very poor people are crashing the borders to get in on our poverty because it pays so nicely.
Take a look at lkm370's chart again. It seems to show the opposite of what you're saying. How do you account for the significant reductions in poverty when you say that the programs have 'created only more poverty'?

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Old 12-16-2011, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Greer
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You mean conservatives like Will Buckley, Ron Paul, and Milton Friedman?
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And Nobel economist*Milton Friedman dead*at 94 - Nov. 16, 2006

And Ron Paul is treated with absolute contempt by mainstream conservatism.
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Old 12-16-2011, 10:34 AM
 
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So I guess those Dicken's novels were about all that social spending in Britain at that time.

The social programs are just a reaction. The wealthy love them for two reasons. One they can scape goat the welfare class, and they can pacify the desperate rabble. The wealthy accuse everyone else of class warfare when in fact it is they they institutionalized the class wars of the lower classes. While I consider the welfare state the second greatest blight on this country, its from the same source of of British merchantalism. I don't like $5 dead beats either but I really don't like 5 billion dollar dead beats.

Haven't you ever noticed its the wealthy who are most behind the welfare state?
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Old 12-16-2011, 10:35 AM
 
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Last I checked those programs were in existence when those men were alive.

"conservatism" has been co-opted by the bloodthirty progressives that fled the Dem party.
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Old 12-16-2011, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Central Florida
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LBJ's "War on Poverty" has been highly successful, beyond the propaganda and looking at facts.
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Old 12-16-2011, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Greer
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Last I checked those programs were in existence when those men were alive.
But people who have not lived for several years are not good examples of what mainstream modern conservatism stands for.
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