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Old 12-17-2011, 05:00 PM
 
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Americans Prioritize Economy Over Reducing Wealth Gap



The key. Americans DON'T want obama and the dems tearing the successful down, stealing from the successful, punishing the successful, to build up the not so successful.

This poll again demonstrates how out of touch and out of the mainstream MOST dems/libs are. Another blow to obama's re-election strategy. His rich vs poor class rhetoric is failing, just like his policies.



Of COURSE it is. There is NO WAY to attain "equality" across socioeconomic levels. This is something the dems have been trying to achieve for decades. Both classes and the middle are necessary.

To get ahead, hard work, responsible choices and determination are key, as well as the government getting out of the way as much as possible.
I mostly agree with this. It's reasonable to have a certain amount of wealthy vs a certain amount of poor in a free society. I have no issue with this.

What i don't like is when we have policies that favor one group over another unless it can be proven that those policies benefit everyone over the long term, if not immediately....and that's the only issue i have with our present system.
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Old 12-17-2011, 05:13 PM
 
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What i don't like is when we have policies that favor one group over another unless it can be proven that those policies benefit everyone over the long term, if not immediately
That's exactly what's going wrong with paying low- and no income people to breed. The result is their birth rate is 3 times higher than everyone else's. They're favored and singled out for special treatment each and every time they bear another child they cannot afford to care for. There's no way that policy benefits anyone, long-term or immediately.

How does encouraging and enabling the exponential growth of the welfare-dependent class benefit society, now or in the future? How does dramatically increasing the number of those living in poverty solve the problems known to be associated with poverty?
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Old 12-17-2011, 05:59 PM
 
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That's exactly what's going wrong with paying low- and no income people to breed. The result is their birth rate is 3 times higher than everyone else's. They're favored and singled out for special treatment each and every time they bear another child they cannot afford to care for. There's no way that policy benefits anyone, long-term or immediately.

How does encouraging and enabling the exponential growth of the welfare-dependent class benefit society, now or in the future? How does dramatically increasing the number of those living in poverty solve the problems known to be associated with poverty?
I completely agree with this. It is a perversity that the least self-sufficient in our country and the world have the highest population rates. Paradoxically, the desire to be kind enables the exponential growth in the poverty class. It is also interesting that many of the brightest and most productive in our society do not procreate at all Many of my academic friends with average IQs over 130 are childless.

But this is quite different from the economic that allow working people to retain an ever decreasing fraction of what the corporate class earn. The working poor are expanding, with stagnant wages and decreased benefits and security, while the 1% are pulling away from everyone else.

Both these patterns are weakening America.
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Old 12-17-2011, 06:13 PM
 
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The working poor are expanding, with stagnant wages and decreased benefits and security
Only because they're subsidized, significantly. Stop subsidizing them.
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Old 12-17-2011, 07:17 PM
 
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I once saw an editorial cartoon which showed a man pointing to a graph on a large easel. The caption read: "Our research indicates that a 7% unemployment rate is acceptable to 93% of the population". The point is that, when you measure popular opinion, your results will likely mirror the cumulative circumstances of those participating in the poll.

We should be asking why only 52% (a very slight majority of those polled) agree that "the fact that some people in the United States are rich and others are poor" is an acceptable status quo in the world's wealthiest society. The narrowness of that margin makes it clear that those opposed to the above sentiment; represent more than just a few "Marxists", or "socialists", or "Obama supporters", or "Alinsky disciples". Clearly, that 48% includes people from the middle of the political and economic spectrum.

I don't think anyone seriously believes that we can create a society in which everyone is of equal economic status; but the shame of our country, is that we have a small number of people who have thousands of times more than they need, while we have millions who don't even have the basic necessities of life.

As long as significant numbers of middle class Americans continue to do the bidding of the wealthy elite--- by shifting blame to the poor, we are unlikely to ever address the cultural destruction that is caused by these glaring inequities.
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Old 12-17-2011, 07:19 PM
 
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Only because they're subsidized, significantly. Stop subsidizing them.
I don't agree with this logic. The working poor are expanding because the middle class is being sold out.

We need real jobs, that create middle class opportunity.
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Old 12-17-2011, 07:22 PM
 
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I don't agree with this logic. The working poor are expanding because the middle class is being sold out.
It has nothing to do with public assistance recipients having a birth rate 3 times higher than everyone else, huh? Sure sounds like the exponential growth of the poor to me.
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Old 12-17-2011, 08:38 PM
 
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The wealth gap dosent matter so as long income is rising for all levels of Americans. But wealth has been stagnating for the past 10 years for the poor and middle class while the rich have gotten exponentially richer. The problem is you cant get income equality without wealth redistribution. The middle class is a by product of wealth redistribution.
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Old 12-17-2011, 09:47 PM
 
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Only because they're subsidized, significantly. Stop subsidizing them.

You don't want to subsidize work? You'd prefer the working poor stop working and become the nonworking poor?
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Old 12-17-2011, 09:48 PM
 
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It has nothing to do with public assistance recipients having a birth rate 3 times higher than everyone else, huh? Sure sounds like the exponential growth of the poor to me.

They are NOT the working poor, they are the nonworking welfare poor.
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