Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 01-29-2015, 07:55 PM
 
13,302 posts, read 7,867,855 times
Reputation: 2144

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by T-310 View Post
Because after Pearl Harbor was attacked, Hitler declared war on the US.
Now, why would he go and do a danged dumb thing like that?

He already had quite a bit on his plate.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 01-29-2015, 07:57 PM
 
Location: southern california
61,288 posts, read 87,405,055 times
Reputation: 55562
Same reason we shelled ft sumpter stupidity
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-29-2015, 08:03 PM
 
13,302 posts, read 7,867,855 times
Reputation: 2144
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyperthetic View Post
Now, why would he go and do a danged dumb thing like that?

He already had quite a bit on his plate.
I also wonder how we got all those armaments to Russia.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-29-2015, 08:06 PM
 
78,368 posts, read 60,566,039 times
Reputation: 49646
Seems like a lot of posters must think U-boats were some sort of canoe.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-29-2015, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
9,828 posts, read 9,414,249 times
Reputation: 6288
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathguy View Post
Seems like a lot of posters must think U-boats were some sort of canoe.
Germany declaring war on us first is minor detail to them as well.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-29-2015, 08:33 PM
 
13,302 posts, read 7,867,855 times
Reputation: 2144
Quote:
Originally Posted by RaymondChandlerLives View Post
Germany declaring war on us first is minor detail to them as well.
Talk is cheap.

America hasn't even bothered since WWII.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-29-2015, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
37,800 posts, read 41,003,240 times
Reputation: 62194
Pearl Harbor History: Why Did Japan Attack?

Pearl Harbor History: Why Did Japan Attack? Eyewitness Accounts, Casualty List, Background
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-29-2015, 11:24 PM
 
13,302 posts, read 7,867,855 times
Reputation: 2144
"The Japanese presence in Vietnam also attracted foreign attention, particularly that of the United States. In 1940 America was not yet at war with Japan, but it was nevertheless seeking to restrict Japanese expansion. The US also wanted to protect its imports of raw rubber, half of which came from Vietnam. Washington had backed the French colonial regime in Vietnam, hoping it would resist Japanese overtures. But when the French caved in to Japanese demands, the US changed tack. - See more at: Japanese occupation of Vietnam
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-09-2015, 11:38 AM
 
Location: London
4,709 posts, read 5,062,698 times
Reputation: 2154
Quote:
Originally Posted by TinLegs View Post
Yea your right the ME262 was 100% fully devolved 3 years before D-Day, the reason their where so few is because Hitler did not think that they where good.
The German jet engines were extremely unreliable and had low performances with very high fuel consumption. The German axial turbojets never worked properly and were developed up to 1953 by the French to get a usable engine. They lost a lot of time playing around with the German engines, instead of working with the British. The French and Soviets after WW2 tried to improve the German engines and largely failed.

In 1945 the team from the ATAR laboratory plus some BMW and Junkers engineers, were engaged by the French SNECMA research bureau, with the objective to built a new reliable and performing axial flow turbojet. The BMW 003/Jumo004 was considered unusable. It was tested on the first French jet aircraft, the 1946 So6000 Triton, but overheated and exploded. The plane only flew with a RR Nene turbojet.

The ATAR project took 6 years to produce the first acceptable axial turbojet (ATAR 101 B1), but was only produce in 1953. So 8 years research and developments by the French using the German jet engines as the base. It was installed on the first French jet fighter, the Dassault Ouragan.

In 1945 some German designed turbo jets made with quality steel were made and tested by the French. They ran for 25 hours instead 10 hours to the poor steel the Germans used. Not much better. The German axial design failed because of heavy design faults. The centrifugal compressor used by the first British Meteor was fine and much more reliable, but unable to reach high compression ratios. This limited performances. Centrifugal compressors were use up to the 1960s.

Centrifugal compressors were used in turboprops. Between a turbo jet and a turboprop, the only difference is the turbine, not the compressor. The last centrifugal compressor jet engine still in service on a handful of old commercial aircraft like the Fokker 27, is the RR Dart turboprop. A very reliable engine made in 27 versions, but with high fuel consumption. The turbo jet engine that was the longest produced, was the Rolls Royce Dart Turboprop - a comparable design as a turbojet like the RR Nene. This rugged engine was and produced from 1946 up to 1987.

The French lost a lot of time because the German jets had a poor efficiency and some concept fails. Essentially in the combustion chambers and fresh air circulation to reduce the external temperature of the engine. The BMW jet was know for overheat problems which precluded fuselage installation.

The question at the end of WW2 was what is the most efficient way to produce jet fighters. The answer is clearly no to adopting the German design of engine and fuselage. The build costs for a jet engine were much higher than a piston engine, and the consumption was near 3x. The centrifugal compressor the British adopted in some planes was the best choice with 1944-45 technology, more compression pressure was not an advantage when the hot turbine was unable to resist higher temperatures. And the German turbojets had big overheat problems as the engine would not work in an enclosed fuselage for single engined fighters. This defect was immediately noted by the French on the 1946 "SO 6000 Triton" prototype, and from the Soviets on the 1946 Mig 9. The Soviets quickly replaced the BMW 004B2 by the RR Nene which worked without problems. The RR Nene was copied to the last nut by the USSR and put in the Mig 15 and used effectively in the Korean war. About 10 years ago the USSR eventually paid royalties to RR.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-09-2015, 01:09 PM
 
27,307 posts, read 16,218,061 times
Reputation: 12102
Japan wanted to knock out the US since they were the only power that could derail their plans to bring to culmination The East Asia Co-Prosperity. By sidelining the US, Japan could concentrate their military resources to meet that goal.

Japan by and large succeeded however the main targets of the raid on Pearl Harbour were at sea: the carriers.

Britain still had a viable Navy and were mainly concerned with protecting the shipping that was the life blood of the UK. At the time of the attack, Britain had been at war for 2 years. So the effort was made to bolster the Brits while the USN in the Pacific rebuilt and commenced a delaying action until the warships were available to push back the Japanese. US submarines started attacking Japanese shipping and after a fitful start were able to starve Japan.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:58 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top