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Actually nothing. You would be hard pressed to demonstrate a correllation between the use of corporal punishment and a any decrease in future criminal behavior. In point of fact most of the research demonstrates that reliance on spanking increases aggressive behaviors and most astounding a decrease in IQ.
If you ignore the elementary difference between correlation and causation, of course it would appear to demonstrate that.
I have all the proof I need... Great kids and 9 wonderful grandkids who are all very bright and well behaved. I'm not ashamed to go with them in public.... Hope you can say the same.
As previously pointed out, violent crime is actually down; kids are just getting arrested for more stupidity in an over-regulated society. Also as previously pointed out, there is no cause and effect relationship here. Everything I ever read says physical abuse only corrects short-term behavior, but actually increases long-term aggressive behavior. For the record, I think much of it is nonsense in both scenarios.
If you ignore the elementary difference between correlation and causation, of course it would appear to demonstrate that.
That's a tired, lazy way to scoff at studies of human behavior. As if we have a control "World" we can conduct experiments with? It's almost all correlation and when people don't like the conclusions of the study that's what they start harping about.
Europeans for the most part refrain from corporal punishment and they have some of the lowest murder rates in the World. Even compared to our lily white US States.
That's a tired, lazy way to scoff at studies of human behavior. As if we have a control "World" we can conduct experiments with? It's almost all correlation and when people don't like the conclusions of the study that's what they start harping about.
It's almost all correlation? Perhaps, which is why people believe so much crap on so many subjects. A little more skepticism is most certainly called for.
The lack of a control world does not excuse us from dealing with and admitting our constraints. Sometimes the constraints of the real world are insuperable.
It's almost all correlation? Perhaps, which is why people believe so much crap on so many subjects. A little more skepticism is most certainly called for.
The lack of a control world does not excuse us from dealing with and admitting our constraints. Sometimes the constraints of the real world are insuperable.
I agree they are some bad studies out there but is it that surprising to you that lack of corporal punishment does not lead to bad effects in society?
I agree they are some bad studies out there but is it that surprising to you that lack of corporal punishment does not lead to bad effects in society?
(shrug) Depends on how broadly you define society. It would be surprising to me if the refusal even to entertain the option of corporal punishment did not have a negative effect on the behavior of the potential recipients, who are part of society, so I suppose, yes, it would be a little surprising.
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Sorry, but spanking and hitting or beating a child are different. Not ashamed to say my child got spanked. Could count the times on one hand. And his punishment always fit the unacceptable behavior. As he got older and spanking was no longer an option we went to what we called the "hard labor punishment". Each time that teenage lippy attitude came up we'd start with 1 hour of hard labor, keep it up.. 2 hrs.. again.. 3 hours. He finally learned to zip it. What this meant was he would be up at the crack of dawn, with us, out digging post holes, or planting trees, or painting, or whatever needed to be done that caused sweat and hard work. Suppose I'm going to be reported now for child labor laws?
Proud to say, he survived his teenage years, drug and alcohol free, a straight A student and state designated scholar, won a great scholarship to a top university, graduated summa *** laude, and will within the year get his doctorate. Will he tell you he is abused? Nope... he was raised by loving parents who spoiled him when they could, yet taught him how to be self-sufficient, and to be a well-mannered respectable human being.
aus10... Just tried to rep you again but they won't let me dangit.. You seem to have followed the same coarse I did, and it payed me the same dividends with all of my children. I wouldn't change a thing and my grandkids are pretty much being raised in the same manner... Job well done sir..
It would be surprising to me if the refusal even to entertain the option of corporal punishment did not have a negative effect on the behavior of the potential recipients,
Then be surprised because the literature is rather clear on this point.
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