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Old 12-22-2011, 08:31 AM
 
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When the employees make as much as the employers, everyone wants to be an employee and no one wants to be an employer. There go the jobs.
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Old 12-22-2011, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Why? He did something right to be able to buy the factory or he got lucky and inherited it, meaning a family member of his did something right.
Thomas Paine would be in pain, hearing that. So, a capitalistic society would thrive on greater income inequality. Would it?

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When the employees make as much as the employers, everyone wants to be an employee and no one wants to be an employer. There go the jobs.
Which must explain why Denmark has an unemployment rate of 4.2 or so.
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Old 12-22-2011, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I think this thread is a false narrative. It's not do you believe in income equality but do you think that there should be wide ranges between rich and poor -- the the vast amount of income concentrated in few hands.

This is where we went, from the robber-barron days to one where the nation that shared income to back to the robber-barron days:



Apologists for this disparity make statements like I've been reading here, that those that make more create or invent something. But the Steve Jobs and Thomas Edison explanation are not the main demography of the top 0.1% that are skewing the income scale. There are few Horatio Alger stories.
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Who’s in that top 0.1 percent? Are they heroic entrepreneurs creating jobs? No, for the most part, they’re corporate executives. Recent research shows that around 60 percent of the top 0.1 percent either are executives in nonfinancial companies or make their money in finance, i.e., Wall Street broadly defined. Add in lawyers and people in real estate, and we’re talking about more than 70 percent of the lucky one-thousandth. link
The rest mainly are those that inherited great wealth.

Here are a few statistics that should be considered:

Forbes: Six Waltons (WalMart) Have More Wealth Than the Bottom 30 % of Americans

The Top 0.1% Of The Nation Earn Half Of All Capital Gains (and they pay only a 15% tax-rate)

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The top 400 U.S. individual taxpayers got 1.59% of the nation’s household income in 2007 — 3X the p% they got in the 1990s.

• The top 400 paid 2.05% of all individual income taxes in 2007.

• Only 220 of the top 400 were in the top marginal tax bracket.

• Average tax rate of the 400 = 16.6% — the lowest since the IRS began tracking the 400 in 1992.

• Minimum annual income to make the top 400 = $138.8 million.

• Top 400 reported $137.9 billion in income; they paid $22.9 billion in federal income taxes.

• 81.3% of income was from capital gains, dividends or interest. Salaries and wages? Just 6.5%.

• The top 400 list changes from year to year: 1992-2007, it contained 3,472 different taxpayers (out of a maximum 6400).

Source: The Big Picture
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Old 12-22-2011, 08:42 AM
 
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Thomas Paine would be in pain, hearing that. So, a capitalistic society would thrive on greater income inequality. Would it?


Which must explain why Denmark has an unemployment rate of 4.2 or so.

So Denmark the employees make as much as the employers? Link please.
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Old 12-22-2011, 08:42 AM
 
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Here come the charts!
Since you don't like charts, here is an article for you, explaining in detail:

Wall Street’s Euthanasia of Industry | Michael Hudson


I don't know if it is the sort of talk radio babble you're used to, but I may be able to find a video that fits the standard talk radio attention span.
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Old 12-22-2011, 08:47 AM
 
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When the employees make as much as the employers, everyone wants to be an employee and no one wants to be an employer. There go the jobs.
Come on, are you seriously telling me that you wouldn't take the risk of borrowing hundreds of thousands of dollars and potentially setting yourself up to ruin your future by opening a new factory if you will get paid the same as someone who works for you, no matter what?

GregW - you aren't paid more for working harder. You are paid more for adding value and taking on more risk than other people.
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Old 12-22-2011, 08:49 AM
 
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Come on, are you seriously telling me that you wouldn't take the risk of borrowing hundreds of thousands of dollars and potentially setting yourself up to ruin your future by opening a new factory if you will get paid the same as someone who works for you, no matter what?

GregW - you aren't paid more for working harder. You are paid more for adding value and taking on more risk than other people.

The ghost from TX seems to think otherwise.
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Old 12-22-2011, 08:54 AM
 
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My problen is with the guy that owns the factory and lives off the profit created by your brother and cousin without having to actually do anything.
Good grief.
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Old 12-22-2011, 08:55 AM
 
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Good grief.

These people vote!
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Old 12-22-2011, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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So Denmark the employees make as much as the employers? Link please.
The ghost from TX would like to tell the waterboy from nowhere that Denmark's economy thrives on small business. That the country is among the leaders in the world with minimum income inequality should tell you that it ain't a land of extremes. That employees are able to cover their rear due to high salaries and policies designed to insulate BOTH employers and employees from each other.
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