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Old 12-23-2011, 05:02 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Originally Posted by chucksnee View Post
As the entire world seen when obama was elected...............
Is this written in English?
You might want to do a little research on what the world thinks of Obama.
I live in and travel all over Europe and talk with my friends who live here. Based on my experience, and the news, you'll find yourself sadly mistaken. Please do some research instead of spouting off your opinions as though they were fact.

 
Old 12-23-2011, 06:25 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Stars&StripesForever View Post
Most judges are Marxists these days. This is why they claim it has "no standing". They are a Marxist like Obama, and they want someone in the White House who can subvert the Constitution, or someone who helps bring about an agenda similar to what they desire. Haven't you heard of left wing activist judges.

That said, there are likely many who would possibly bring it up not wanting to get involved due to the controversy and chaos surrounding such a case that it would entail. They don't want to put themselves or their families in that midst.
Please do educate us. Explain how standing is determined in a case like this, and how Marxism might might affect that determination.

Be sure to provide proper legal cites. I would be delighted to read your legal critique of the 9th Circuit's decision.
 
Old 12-23-2011, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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You do realize that the birth announcement was posted a while after Obama was born.

Secondly, the birth certificate is clearly a fraud.
what, The next day?

that is normally how birth notices are handled, AFTER THE BIRTH.

Occam's razor, also known as Ockham's razor, and sometimes expressed in Latin as lex parsimoniae (the law of parsimony, economy or succinctness), is a principle that generally recommends from among competing hypotheses selecting the one that makes the fewest new assumptions

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Old 12-23-2011, 10:40 AM
 
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Oh well, I digress. You lefties sure like to ridicule someone who exposes your cult-like leaders.
It is amply deserved.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas Jefferson
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.
 
Old 12-23-2011, 10:46 AM
 
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You back that up tomorrow with facts and links to true documents.
"minor renouncing US citizenship"

"F. RENUNCIATION FOR MINOR CHILDREN

Parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5) of the INA, a person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship."

Renunciation of U.S. Citizenship

there is nothing that obama's mother, stepfather or the indonesian government could have done that would have affected his US citizenship.


"indonesian citizenship requirements"

- being the age of 18 years or older, or being married obama wasn't

- when applying, having resided in Indonesian for a minimum of 5 consecutive years or 10 non consecutive years obama was only there for 4 consecutive years

- physically and mentally healthy

- can speak the Indonesian language and acknowledge Pancasila and Undang-Undang Dasar Negara Republik Indonesia Tahun 1945

- never convicted of a crime for which the punishment is imprisonment for one year or more

- if having Indonesian citizenship will not give the person dual citizenship as seen above obama would not have been able to renounce his US citizenship

- employed or have fixed income

- pay the citizenship fee

Indonesian nationality law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Old 12-23-2011, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Evergreen, Colorado
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How many "forensic experts" say that? Let me guess. They're the same kinds of people with the same level of credibility like that Christian extremist who can't even use his own real name and the "Bush caused 9-11" lawyer you posted up there on the Youtube video. Speaking of which, there were also a lot of "experts" who said the government blew up the WTC buildings.

Meanwhile, the rest of society composed of rational individuals and institutions with real credibility and respectability reached no such conclusions. Why is that? Is the whole world except for a handful of internet posters "all in on the conspiracy"?
Everthing in your opinion is false. Obama is not a natural born citizen. His birth status was governed by the British Act of 1948.
 
Old 12-23-2011, 11:02 AM
 
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The birther issue will never be put to rest as long as there are Americans who are
brain dead still around....
 
Old 12-23-2011, 11:33 AM
 
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The fact is Obama has STATED that he is from Kenya.
he didn't. the fact is that the video is a comically bad editing job of obama's 2009 speech to turkish students ( which i believe was the original intent of the editing ).

the actual unedited video is here:

The President Talks with Students in Turkey | The White House

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Why do you keep denying reality..
i'm not.
 
Old 12-23-2011, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Any of this look familiar? I know it is monty python at the argument clinic, but it sure sounds like the birtherss' script:

A man walks into an office.

Man: (Michael Palin) Ah. I'd like to have an argument, please.

Receptionist: Certainly sir. Have you been here before?

Man: No, this is my first time.

Receptionist: I see. Well, do you want to have the full argument, or were you thinking of taking a course?

Man: Well, what would be the cost?

Receptionist: Well, It's one pound for a five minute argument, but only eight pounds for a course of ten.

Man: Well, I think it's probably best if I start with the one and then see how it goes from there, okay?

Receptionist: Fine. I'll see who's free at the moment.

(Pause)

Receptionist: Mr. DeBakey's free, but he's a little bit conciliatory. Ahh yes, Try Mr. Barnard; room 12.

Man: Thank you. (Walks down the hall. Opens door.)

Angry man: WHADDAYOU WANT?

Man: Well, Well, I was told outside that...

Angry man: DON'T GIVE ME THAT, YOU SNOTTY-FACED HEAP OF PARROT DROPPINGS!

Man: What?

A: SHUT YOUR FESTERING GOB, YOU TIT! YOUR TYPE MAKES ME PUKE! YOU VACUOUS TOFFEE-NOSED MALODOROUS PERVERT!!!

M: Yes, but I came here for an argument!!

A: OH! Oh! I'm sorry! This is abuse!

M: Oh! Oh I see!

A: Aha! No, you want room 12A, next door.

M: Oh...Sorry...

A: Not at all!

A: (under his breath) stupid git.

(The man goes into room 12A. Another man is sitting behind a desk.)

Man: Is this the right room for an argument?

Other ManJohn Cleese) I've told you once.

Man: No you haven't!

Other Man: Yes I have.

M: When?

O: Just now.

M: No you didn't!

O: Yes I did!

M: You didn't!

O: I did!

M: You didn't!

O: I'm telling you, I did!

M: You did not!

O: Oh I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?

M: Ah! (taking out his wallet and paying) Just the five minutes.

O: Just the five minutes. Thank you.

O: Anyway, I did.

M: You most certainly did not!

O: Now let's get one thing quite clear: I most definitely told you!

M: Oh no you didn't!

O: Oh yes I did!

M: Oh no you didn't!

O: Oh yes I did!

M: Oh no you didn't!

O: Oh yes I did!

M: Oh no you didn't!

O: Oh yes I did!

M: Oh no you didn't!

O: Oh yes I did!

M: Oh no you didn't!

O: Oh yes I did!

M: No you DIDN'T!

O: Oh yes I did!

M: No you DIDN'T!

O: Oh yes I did!

M: No you DIDN'T!

O: Oh yes I did!

M: Oh look, this isn't an argument!

(pause)

O: Yes it is!

M: No it isn't!

(pause)

M: It's just contradiction!

O: No it isn't!

M: It IS!

O: It is NOT!

M: You just contradicted me!

O: No I didn't!

M: You DID!

O: No no no!

M: You did just then!

O: Nonsense!

M: (exasperated) Oh, this is futile!!

(pause)

O: No it isn't!

M: Yes it is!

(pause)

M: I came here for a good argument!

O: AH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!

M: An argument isn't just contradiction.

O: Well! it CAN be!

M: No it can't!

M: An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.

O: No it isn't!

M: Yes it is! 'tisn't just contradiction.

O: Look, if I *argue* with you, I must take up a contrary position!

M: Yes but it isn't just saying 'no it isn't'.

O: Yes it is!

M: No it isn't!

O: Yes it is!

M: No it isn't!

O: Yes it is!

M: No it ISN'T! Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.

O: It is NOT!

M: It is!

O: Not at all!

M: It is!

(The Arguer hits a bell on his desk and stops.)

O: Thank you, that's it.

M: (stunned) What?

O: That's it. Good morning.

M: But I was just getting interested!

O: I'm sorry, the five minutes is up.

M: That was never five minutes just now!!

O: I'm afraid it was.

M: (leading on) No it wasn't.....

O: I'm sorry, I'm not allowed to argue any more.

M: WHAT??

O: If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.

M: But that was never five minutes just now! Oh Come on! Oh this is... This is ridiculous!

O: I told you... I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you PAY!

M: Oh all right. (takes out his wallet and pays again.) There you are.

O: Thank you.

M: (clears throat) Well...

O: Well WHAT?

M: That was never five minutes just now.

O: I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!

M: Well I just paid!

O: No you didn't!

M: I DID!!!

O: YOU didn't!

M: I DID!!!

O: YOU didn't!

M: I DID!!!

O: YOU didn't!

M: I DID!!!

O: YOU didn't!

M: I don't want to argue about it!

O: Well I'm very sorry but you didn't pay!

M: Ah hah! Well if I didn't pay, why are you arguing??? Ah HAAAAAAHHH! Gotcha!

O: No you haven't!

M: Yes I have! If you're arguing, I must have paid.

O: Not necessarily. I *could* be arguing in my spare time.

M: I've had enough of this!

O: No you haven't.

M: Oh shut up!

(Man leaves the office)
 
Old 12-23-2011, 12:09 PM
 
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His birth status was governed by the British Act of 1948.
British legislation has jurisdiction over US citizenship status of people born on US soil? The humming you hear is Washington rotating in his tomb.
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