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Old 12-26-2011, 08:34 AM
 
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I'm not sure whats so unique about this. Some states and Federal law does confer "personhood" on the unborn in criminal cases like drug use by the mother, or homicide.

But if these Bible beaters in Utah think this is a erosion of Roe v Wade then they've got another thing coming.
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Old 12-26-2011, 08:37 AM
 
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A stupid decision. Unborn fetuses are not "minors". They have no rights legal or otherwise. Under that rule then somebody that is 20 years old and 3 months can walk into a liquor store and demand to be served.
Then why do they charge you with killing two individuals if you kill a pregnant mother?

And the ruling would not allow someone 20 to walk into a store and demand to be served.. What the hell are you talking about?
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:09 AM
 
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Very stupid.
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Columbus
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There are women in Tennessee that are doing time for taking drugs when they were pregnant. Even when the kid was born without any problems. And I'm tlaking serious time. Like 18-25 years.

And if a person kills a woman that is pregnant they can be charged with murder. Which seems strange. A doctor can kill a fetus but no one else can. Strange indeed.
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Texas
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But if these Bible beaters in Utah think this is a erosion of Roe v Wade then they've got another thing coming.
You know that's what it's about. But remember Planned Parenthood v. Casey, Webster v. Reproductive Health Services, and Carhart v. Gonzales - Roe v. Wade has already been weakened by the courts. These people just want it to be weakened further.
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Texas
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There are women in Tennessee that are doing time for taking drugs when they were pregnant. Even when the kid was born without any problems. And I'm tlaking serious time. Like 18-25 years.

And if a person kills a woman that is pregnant they can be charged with murder. Which seems strange. A doctor can kill a fetus but no one else can. Strange indeed.
These fetal personhood laws are designed by pro-lifers who hope to be able to casually drop exceptions from the laws that allow legal abortion.

I've read a legal analysis that discussed that Roe v. Wade was ruled on under the assumption that fetuses aren't people and without considering they may be because relevant laws at the time did not define them as such. The analysis said that, in theory, a state could define embryos/fetuses as people for all purposes and make abortion illegal without it being contradictory to any Supreme Court decisions. Obviously, the new law would go through the courts as well.

This is why we see things like the personhood initiatives in Mississippi and other states.

For the record, I don't like abortion, but I don't think making early-term ones illegal is such a great idea. And I think it's preposterous to give fetuses the same rights as children who are born.
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Old 12-26-2011, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Can embryos and fetuses in uteri and/or in vitro be claimed as dependents for tax purposes?
Cannot wait to see how the Utah high court handles the flood of tax claims that involve claiming exemptions for unborn fetuses.

New welfare scams, get prego in November, claim the kid and abort in January. Great ruling Utah. LOL
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Old 12-26-2011, 10:26 AM
 
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Cannot wait to see how the Utah high court handles the flood of tax claims that involve claiming exemptions for unborn fetuses.

New welfare scams, get prego in November, claim the kid and abort in January. Great ruling Utah. LOL
a dependent child must be a birth child, a legal stepchild or a foster child in your care

unborn child can not meet the definition of any of those so there is no need to handle your imaginary flood of "tax claims" for unborn fetuses.
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Old 12-26-2011, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Another slippery slope for a theocratic based law.

At least 38 states have introduced “foetal homicide laws” and around 300 women in South Carolina alone have been arrested for suspected actions that may or may not have occurred during pregnancy.


Miscarriage? Face Prison Time For Murder | Health Freedom Alliance
Let's not forget overweight women. They are also endangering the fetus and should go to jail too.

Overweight women 'more likely to miscarry healthy babies' | Mail Online
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The study follows the finding last month that obese women are 67 per cent more likely to miscarry, and reinforces calls for overweight women to lose weight before they conceive.
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Old 12-26-2011, 05:55 PM
 
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lets open pregnancy camps where we can keep an eye on these pregnant women. women are far too feeble minded to ever be trusted with reproductive choice
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