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Old 12-25-2011, 09:55 PM
 
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Not surprised in the least. One of the things we were taught in seminary is that churches are the least Christian environment you may encounter. Another unofficial lesson is that those who proclaim to be the best Christians (or super Christians as I call them), generally speaking are the least Christian folks you will ever meet; those who profess too much are hiding something.
Revrandy,
here's the "test of fire" for those "Super-Christians"
Since "Christian" means "follower of Jesus Christ".... ask them to tell you 3 things that Jesus told us to do.
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Old 12-25-2011, 10:00 PM
 
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Revrandy,
here's the "test of fire" for those "Super-Christians"
Since "Christian" means "follower of Jesus Christ".... ask them to tell you 3 things that Jesus told us to do.
Seek ye First the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness

Give to those that despitefully use and persecute you.

Love your neighbor as yourself

Christian- Christlike
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Old 12-25-2011, 10:05 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Yea....THAT'S RIGHT!!!

Why didn't i think of that?

Oh yea, because it's highly unlikely. Nice try though. LOL..
Hey, I'm just trying to give them the benefit of the doubt!

FWIW, I haven't attended synagogue for Chanukah, as few Jewish people do (aside from their regular Shabbat services and/or a party). But I do say the prayers at home as I light the menorah, and participated in ZERO commercialism along the way. Unless you count buying the candles at Lucky, but it's not like I could drip my own.
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Old 12-25-2011, 10:20 PM
 
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Hey, I'm just trying to give them the benefit of the doubt!

FWIW, I haven't attended synagogue for Chanukah, as few Jewish people do (aside from their regular Shabbat services and/or a party). But I do say the prayers at home as I light the menorah, and participated in ZERO commercialism along the way. Unless you count buying the candles at Lucky, but it's not like I could drip my own.
Jews are generally honest about their devoutness. Most will tell you whether they're observant or not. Nowhere near the same level of hypocrisy that Christians exhibit on the regular.

They're always accusing everyone of taking their beloved Christ out of Christmas, and yet they don't even go to church on a Sunday that falls on his birthday. They're simply incapable of admitting that they themselves turned their own holiday over to the retailers. And worse, they don't want to take it back. They LOVE all of this consumerism stuff on Christmas.

So all that "reason for the season" stuff is a load of bullocks. It's a joke at this point.
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Old 12-25-2011, 10:26 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Jews are generally honest about their devoutness. Most will tell you whether they're observant or not. Nowhere near the same level of hypocrisy that Christians exhibit on the regular.

They're always accusing everyone of taking their beloved Christ out of Christmas, and yet they don't even go to church on a Sunday that falls on his birthday. They're simply incapable of admitting that they themselves turned their own holiday over to the retailers. And worse, they don't want to take it back. They LOVE all of this consumerism stuff on Christmas.

So all that "reason for the season" stuff is a load of bullocks. It's a joke at this point.
Good points, and true on most counts... I see no problem in celebrating Christmas without religion, but at least be honest about it! As you said about Jewish people, I never attempt to fool anyone regarding my level of belief - even call myself an Agnostic or Cultural Jew if you ask, since that's really what I am.

We just have a different view on religion in general, and usually acknowledge the differences between followers of Judaism. If one is highly observant they practice Orthodox or Hasidic Judaism and actually FOLLOW the teachings... whereas if one is more "culturally" (as opposed to religiously) Jewish, they will attend a Reform synagogue or none at all. My non-religious mother eats bacon, and makes no excuses for it!
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Old 12-26-2011, 06:00 AM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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My non-religious mother eats bacon, and makes no excuses for it!
What about bacon cheeseburgers?
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Old 12-26-2011, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Central Florida
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Only Catholics and Mormons have church on Christmas Day (midnight). The rest either cancelled or moved services to Saturday or Monday here.
Episcopalians (Anglicans) and Lutherans often attend a midnight vigil on Christmas Eve, too.
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Old 12-26-2011, 08:43 AM
 
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All this really means is that they expect more people would be attending the Christmas Eve services instead of on Christmas Day this year, since Christmas Day falls on a Sunday.

Everyone in my family went to mass on Christmas Eve, as they do every year.

"while 67 percent agreed that “many of the things I enjoy during the Christmas season have nothing to do with the birth of Jesus Christ.”"

This is misleading. There are elements of the Christmas season that many people enjoy, myself included, which have nothing to do with the religious aspect of Christmas, like Christmas lights, Christmas trees, eggnog, watching The Grinch or Rudolph, getting together with family, etc. That doesn't mean that they don't also celebrate the birth of Jesus.
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Old 12-26-2011, 08:48 AM
 
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"For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them."
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Old 12-26-2011, 08:49 AM
 
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My church had three services on Christmas Eve and they did have a service on Christmas Morning. But.. why do you care?Last year I went to two different services in two different churches. I don't care what anybody did, if they went or stayed home.
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