Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Since I think Republicans will kill any hope of improving health care costs and they will kill Obamacare, I do not support your logic. I don't vote based on revenge or "teaching lessons". I do not want my children to have to choose between health care and food because insurance is so high. I would have preferred single payer but I think the health insurance "exchanges" could work - at least I'm open. Republicans have no ideas beyond "tort reform" which has done nothing to lower health insurance costs in Texas or anywhere else. In fact, Texas has a higher rate of uninsured than any other state.
Um, Texas doesn't have tort reform that I know of (actual working). Are you talking about the "fake reform" the Bush passed while governor there?
If you want an example of actual functioning tort reform then I would direct you to California which has MICRA.
The term "extreme liberal" is a slur right wingers throw around to smear all liberals.
No, the term perfectly fits those who trade all sense of reality for their extreme views. There are liberals and then there are extremists. To say "extreme liberalism" is just a smear proves my point, reality lost.
The Republican establishment hates the Tea Party Movement because they know we will throw a close race if they run an unprincipled candidate.
Hopefully our friends on the left will take notice and do some of their own house cleaning in the near future.
None of us benefit from officeholders receiving a pass simply because of party affiliation.
In the case of Obama, if I were a liberal, I would despise him for being an unprincipled and unreliable two-faced opportunist.
... who has taken back-room and palm greasing politics to an entirely new level. He throws out a few carrots to satisfy his minions (unions and eco-extremists) all while robbing the treasury and funneling truckloads of cash to his foriegn handlers.
He went in worth 300k and in just three years is worth $7m. Capitalism is bad yet it sounds like someone is all setup for the speaking circuit ($5-25M a year).
Final scene: Obama walks toward cameras, throws lit match into a puddle of gas, massive explosions and fade out - roll credits
Republicans had plans but the lib media, flush with their worship and mutual love for the Teleprompter in Chief ignored it...
Well, now only if republicans were capable of choosing a teleprompter in chief. They gave us Reagan, HW Bush and W Bush instead... wait, did they ever use teleprompter, or were into lip-syncing with a recording/playing device?
Anyway, where was the republican reform to tackle issues with health care reform in 2008? In 2007? In 2006? In 2005? Or, was health care costs and all issues associated with health care that needed to be fixed non-issues until 2009? The realization that health care delivery system was broke would be a prerequisite to having a plan.
Well, now only if republicans were capable of choosing a teleprompter in chief. They gave us Reagan, HW Bush and W Bush instead... wait, did they ever use teleprompter, or were into lip-syncing with a recording/playing device?
Anyway, where was the republican reform to tackle issues with health care reform in 2008? In 2007? In 2006? In 2005? Or, was health care costs and all issues associated with health care that needed to be fixed non-issues until 2009? The realization that health care delivery system was broke would be a prerequisite to having a plan.
We've already established that both parties have only been doing business that's in their own interest. Financial advisors have railed against these programs (medicare,medicaid,unemployment,welfare) from the time they were established. They warned that they would become economic pigs and surprise, they have.
How can you reform a lie?
These programs made/make it easy to divert funds to pet projects and programs like shrimp exercising and Chinese prostitute alcoholism.
This isn't a R & D issue; it's a political ponzi scheme that both sides play equally. These arguments about levels of involvement are simply a waste of time and spinning wheels for the sake of making points that don't really matter.
We've already established that both parties have only been doing business that's in their own interest. Financial advisors have railed against these programs from the time they were established. They warned that they would become economic pigs and surprise, they have.
How can you fix a lie?
These programs made/make it easy to divert funds to pet projects and programs like shrimp exercising and Chinese prostitute alcoholism.
This isn't a R & D issue; it's a political ponzi scheme that both sides play equally. These arguments about levels of involvement are simply a waste of time and spinning wheels for the sake of making points that don't really matter.
What ultimately, do you believe, leads to the problem?
What ultimately, do you believe, leads to the problem?
Let take the TP as an example. They peacfully protested against government spending. For this they were labeled terrorists, racists and morons by the left. Now they are being scorned by the Republican elites. Democrats and Republicans have become equally and completely corrupt. They've shared ultimate power under a vail of opposing ideas. The gap between views isn't an accident, and has only become wider to perpetuate the lie of opposing ideas. It is being orchestrated to keep us from using our powers (under the Constitution) to dismantle the corruption.
Why do you think both sides are scrambling to weaken our rights?
Well, now only if republicans were capable of choosing a teleprompter in chief. They gave us Reagan, HW Bush and W Bush instead... wait, did they ever use teleprompter, or were into lip-syncing with a recording/playing device?
Anyway, where was the republican reform to tackle issues with health care reform in 2008? In 2007? In 2006? In 2005? Or, was health care costs and all issues associated with health care that needed to be fixed non-issues until 2009? The realization that health care delivery system was broke would be a prerequisite to having a plan.
Presidents, Republican and Democrat, have brought up health care reform for well over 100 years. It's not new to your liberal Messiah.
Nixon tried:
In his 1974 State of the Union address, President Richard M. Nixon called for comprehensive health insurance.[9] On February 6, 1974, he introduced the Comprehensive Health Insurance Act. Nixon's plan would have mandated employers to purchase health insurance for their employees, and provided a federal health plan, similar to Medicaid, that any American could join by paying on a sliding scale based on income.[10][11]The New York Daily News wrote that Ted Kennedy rejected the universal health coverage plan offered by Nixon because it wasn't everything he wanted it to be. Kennedy later realized it was a missed opportunity to make major progress toward his goal.[12]
In 2000 the Health Insurance Association of America (HIAA) partnered with Families USA and the American Hospital Association (AHA) on a "strange bedfellows" proposal intended to seek common ground in expanding coverage for the uninsured.[16][17][18]
In 2001, a Patients' Bill of Rights was debated in Congress, which would have provided patients with an explicit list of rights concerning their health care. This initiative was essentially taking some of ideas found in the Consumers' Bill of Rights and applying it to the field of health care. It was undertaken in an effort to ensure the quality of care of all patients by preserving the integrity of the processes that occur in the health care industry.[19] Standardizing the nature of health care institutions in this manner proved rather provocative. In fact, many interest groups, including the American Medical Association (AMA) and the pharmaceutical industry came out vehemently against the congressional bill. Basically, providing emergency medical care to anyone, regardless of health insurance status, as well as the right of a patient to hold their health plan accountable for any and all harm done proved to be the biggest stumbling blocks for this bill.[19] As a result of this intense opposition, the Patients' Bill of Rights initiative eventually failed to pass Congress in 2002.
As president, Bush signed into law the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act which included a prescription drug plan for elderly and disabled Americans.[20]
During the 2004 presidential election, both the George Bush and John Kerry campaigns offered health care proposals. Bush's proposals for expanding health care coverage were more modest than those advanced by Senator Kerry.[21][22][23] Several estimates were made comparing the cost and impact of the Bush and Kerry proposals. While the estimates varied, they all indicated that the increase in coverage and the funding requirements of the Bush plan would both be lower than those of the more comprehensive Kerry plan.
McCain had a plan, conservatives in the House and Senate had plans. Obama bullied Obamacare through with bribes despite the overwhelming number of Americans against it. There have been plenty of plans out there, better ones then Obamacare, but the Annointed One burdened the country with his and the butcher's bill will come do.
Presidents, Republican and Democrat, have brought up health care reform for well over 100 years. It's not new to your liberal Messiah.
Nixon tried:
In his 1974 State of the Union address, President Richard M. Nixon called for comprehensive health insurance.[9] On February 6, 1974, he introduced the Comprehensive Health Insurance Act. Nixon's plan would have mandated employers to purchase health insurance for their employees, and provided a federal health plan, similar to Medicaid, that any American could join by paying on a sliding scale based on income.[10][11]The New York Daily News wrote that Ted Kennedy rejected the universal health coverage plan offered by Nixon because it wasn't everything he wanted it to be. Kennedy later realized it was a missed opportunity to make major progress toward his goal.[12]
In 2000 the Health Insurance Association of America (HIAA) partnered with Families USA and the American Hospital Association (AHA) on a "strange bedfellows" proposal intended to seek common ground in expanding coverage for the uninsured.[16][17][18]
In 2001, a Patients' Bill of Rights was debated in Congress, which would have provided patients with an explicit list of rights concerning their health care. This initiative was essentially taking some of ideas found in the Consumers' Bill of Rights and applying it to the field of health care. It was undertaken in an effort to ensure the quality of care of all patients by preserving the integrity of the processes that occur in the health care industry.[19] Standardizing the nature of health care institutions in this manner proved rather provocative. In fact, many interest groups, including the American Medical Association (AMA) and the pharmaceutical industry came out vehemently against the congressional bill. Basically, providing emergency medical care to anyone, regardless of health insurance status, as well as the right of a patient to hold their health plan accountable for any and all harm done proved to be the biggest stumbling blocks for this bill.[19] As a result of this intense opposition, the Patients' Bill of Rights initiative eventually failed to pass Congress in 2002. As president, Bush signed into law the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act which included a prescription drug plan for elderly and disabled Americans.[20]
During the 2004 presidential election, both the George Bush and John Kerry campaigns offered health care proposals. Bush's proposals for expanding health care coverage were more modest than those advanced by Senator Kerry.[21][22][23] Several estimates were made comparing the cost and impact of the Bush and Kerry proposals. While the estimates varied, they all indicated that the increase in coverage and the funding requirements of the Bush plan would both be lower than those of the more comprehensive Kerry plan.
McCain had a plan, conservatives in the House and Senate had plans. Obama bullied Obamacare through with bribes despite the overwhelming number of Americans against it. There have been plenty of plans out there, better ones then Obamacare, but the Annointed One burdened the country with his and the butcher's bill will come do.
Just to use that example first, what was the cost? How was it paid for?
Besides that, are you suggesting that health care system was perfectly fine in 2008, after these "ideas" implemented? And no, I don't want to hear "he had a plan" or "she had a plan"... show me the plan, when it was conceived and why was it not pushed through.
Let take the TP as an example. They peacfully protested against government spending. For this they were labeled terrorists, racists and morons by the left. Now they are being scorned by the Republican elites.
The Tea Party peacefully protesting? Not what I saw. Signs with guns, threats to the president, racist names, etc.
Oh and this nugget of a Tea Party guy threatening a Parkinson's victim:
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Are you talking about the "fake reform" the Bush passed while governor there?
