California is the top welfare state: 33% of welfare recipients live in CA (gas prices, Mexicans)

[shadowne]

Originally Posted by Think4Yourself

Republicans once again prove they're bad at math. California is NOT the top welfare state, not by a long shot, just look at this map of welfare recipients as a percentage of the total population:



You'll notice that generally the more red the state is the higher its welfare rate while the south in general is pretty much the worst of the worst when it comes to welfare rates.

source, please

[middle-aged mom]

The people in California pay more in federal tax than the state receives from the federal government. California is not even in the top ten list of " taker" states.

[rorqual]

Originally Posted by middle-aged mom

The people in California pay more in federal tax than the state receives from the federal government. California is not even in the top ten list of " taker" states.

There are two threads here that are getting intermingled.

First is percentage of people getting welfare assistance - in that ranking California is on top with some Red States in the top 10.


Second is percentage of states getting more federal dollars back than they give - i.e. getting more federal handouts. In that list California is near the bottom, giving more dollars to the fed than taking in - the top 10 in this is populated by Red States which get in more federal handouts.

Generally the trend is that most Red States get far more federal handouts than Blue states but use this federal money for tax cuts for the rich and corporations and/or to balance the budgets, and cut welfare assistance resulting in more poverty in these states.

[Think4Yourself]

Originally Posted by shadowne

source, please

Here's the 2010 source which generated the map of welfare rates by state by percentage of population on welfare: Google Image Result for http://minnesotaindependent.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Picture-91.png

Once again here is a map of which states have the highest welfare rates and the lowest welfare rates. You'll notice it is not California as the OP falsely claimed.

[malamute]

California certainly has very generous welfare handouts. The welfare class there live very high on the hog as compared with states like New Mexico or Mississippi where they live more modestly.

There's a very good reason that welfare recipients would prefer California with it's very high cost of living to states with much lower costs of living -- they aren't having to pay for those high costs of living.

[Think4Yourself]

Originally Posted by rorqual

There are two threads here that are getting intermingled.

First is percentage of people getting welfare assistance - in that ranking California is on top with some Red States in the top 10.

Completely false. As the map shows California is no where near the top in welfare cases as a percentage of population. In fact it is in the best 50% of the states with the fewest people on welfare as a percentage of population. It is better than EVERY southern state with the exception of Virginia which has almost the exact same welfare rate.

Second is percentage of states getting more federal dollars back than they give - i.e. getting more federal handouts. In that list California is near the bottom, giving more dollars to the fed than taking in - the top 10 in this is populated by Red States which get in more federal handouts.

Generally the trend is that most Red States get far more federal handouts than Blue states but use this federal money for tax cuts for the rich and corporations and/or to balance the budgets, and cut welfare assistance resulting in more poverty in these states.

California does indeed pay far, far more in Federal taxes than it gets back. It is, in effect, subsidizing the red states who are almost all taker states who do not pay their own way.

[Think4Yourself]

Originally Posted by malamute

California certainly has very generous welfare handouts. The welfare class there live very high on the hog as compared with states like New Mexico or Mississippi where they live more modestly.

There's a very good reason that welfare recipients would prefer California with it's very high cost of living to states with much lower costs of living -- they aren't having to pay for those high costs of living.

"High on the hog"? If your claims are true why does California have such a tiny welfare rate compared to your beloved red states?

Your claims don't add up compared to the actual evidence we have. Poor people move out of California because they can't afford half a million for a house, almost 2/3rds of the people who move out of California make less than $25k, and the other 1/3rd are mostly elderly retired persons who are cashing out their home equity and moving some where cheap to spend their golden years because that's all they can afford. All of this has been gone over and sited in the California forum multiple times. Poor people move out of California not into California.

[malamute]

Originally Posted by Think4Yourself

"High on the hog"? If your claims are true why does California have such a tiny welfare rate compared to your beloved red states?

Your claims don't add up compared to the actual evidence we have. Poor people move out of California because they can't afford half a million for a house, almost 2/3rds of the people who move out of California make less than $25k, and the other 1/3rd are mostly elderly retired persons who are cashing out their home equity and moving some where cheap to spend their golden years because that's all they can afford. All of this has been gone over and sited in the California forum multiple times. Poor people move out of California not into California.

Poor people are moving into California. It's a well-known fact that the welfare life in California is much more plush than in states like New Mexico.

And keep in mind, the middle class is who is leaving because of the absurd taxes there, but the middle class works for it's living. Millions who are leaving California are the taxpaying middle class, but millions are moving into California from south of the border where wages are far less than $23k. People with no educations and job skills -- of course they will need government handouts to make it in such a high cost of living state -- and they're coming at higher rates than ever.

Supposedly while immigration from Mexico has decreased many more are coming from much poorer countries like Honduras and Guatemala -- California Dreamin is getting to be by even worse off people than ever, and they aren't picking California because they can afford it on any wages they might make.

[Howest2008]

Originally Posted by HappyTexan

This is not good for California. Their total population is 1/8 of the nations total yet they have 33% of the nations welfare recipients living there.

There's lots of cuts going on but the welfare in CA is just too attractive even with the cuts.

Nation's largest welfare state makes deep cuts (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...&type=politics - broken link)
Advocates of welfare reform in California often cite one, eye-popping statistic as they have pressed for cuts and changes to the program in recent years: The state has one-eighth of the nation's population but one-third of all welfare recipients.
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The main reason California has such a high percentage of the nation's welfare cases is because it is one of the few states that continue to provide welfare checks for children once their parents are no longer eligible.
About three-quarters of California's welfare recipients are children age 18 and younger.
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California's relatively high cost of living and its large number of low-wage jobs make it difficult for residents to make ends meet, she said. By 2009, California saw 1.3 million apply for state assistance, and the number has continued to climb.

California has recently balanced its budget and is expecting a surplus in the very near future , its on a rosbust come back heading back to the top ( if it ever left the top ) .

[Griffis]

Originally Posted by Think4Yourself

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All I wanna know is, what happened to the Texas panhandle???