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12-29-2011, 10:30 PM
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Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by jeffrow1
The insulting insinuation that people here in California, myself included, are too stupid or "liberal" to consider the consequences of helping our society deal with real problems of high unemployment and poverty.
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Have you looked at WHY you have such high unemployment? What about your state's budget problems? (Yes, I'm aware of the constitutional amendment that required a 2/3 vote to increase taxes, but spending still could have been cut.) |
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12-29-2011, 10:30 PM
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Location: Palo Alto
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Originally Posted by joebaldknobber
California is a third world country. Five percent are wealthy and have great lives. The rest are in the gutter, or almost there.
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That's a decision the California voters have made. I don't agree with it, but that's democracy. If and when it collapses, we need to take responsibility for our actions.
To suggest 95% live in the gutter tells me you don't get here very much, or you've never seen a real gutter. Take a trip to India or parts of Mexico and get back to me. |
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12-29-2011, 10:34 PM
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I love California. I just try to hang out where the 5% hang out.
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Originally Posted by TrapperJohn
That's a decision the California voters have made. I don't agree with it, but that's democracy. If and when it collapses, we need to take responsibility for our actions.
To suggest 95% live in the gutter tells me you don't get here very much, or you've never seen a real gutter. Take a trip to India or parts of Mexico and get back to me.
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12-29-2011, 10:35 PM
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Location: San Diego, CA
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Originally Posted by TrapperJohn
I agree. Palo Alto has great weather. The city is a short train ride away. Half Moon Bay is at the bottom of the hill. Pro sports, Stanford football, and too many other benefits to mention. I've known people who have left for Texas, Florida, or other "low-tax" states only to regret it. They get you everywhere. Life is short. Live where you are happy. If you're not happy with the system, try and change it.
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Yee haa! A little Gratefull Dead Shakedown Street, a left hander and rock and roll! We have some guy from Minn. going to try to jump a snowmobile some 300+ feet at our marina where I keep my boat on saturday. Looking forward to a new low this weekend. Cheers! |
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12-29-2011, 10:36 PM
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Location: Pluto's Home Town
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It will be interesting to watch California.
Personally, I am not sure if it is a big fallout from the housing bubble, the illegal alien and mushrooming hispanic underclass, the outcome of low and dropping educational attainment, the wealthy who fleece everyone else, or all of the above.
It is like a beautiful but delapidated old house. The "bones" are still great, but it will remain to be seen if they can restore it to its former greatness.
There are many smart, very hardworking people in California, but the trajectories are troubling right now, that is for sure.
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12-29-2011, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffrow1
Yee haa! A little Gratefull Dead Shakedown Street, a left hander and rock and roll! We have some guy from Minn. going to try to jump a snowmobile some 300+ feet at our marina where I keep my boat on saturday. Looking forward to a new low this weekend. Cheers!
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What does this have to do with California being the welfare capitol of the United States? |
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12-29-2011, 10:37 PM
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Location: San Diego, CA
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Originally Posted by plwhit
Why is it liberals always call opposing viewpoints "silly ignorant rants" I wonder....
That's fine by me where you live.
What I have a problem with is my tax dollars supporting the socialist welfare programs that California has.
33% of all welfare recipients in America live in California, I wonder why...
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Don't be a bonehead, show me where your tax dollars support California. We have a net outgo still as I recall. We are supporting you maybe? |
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12-29-2011, 10:37 PM
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Location: Texas
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FWIW, I actually like to visit California. I have family and friends in California. But I could never be a CA resident and taxpayer myself.
The state is grossly mismanaged. It's honestly just a huge mess.
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12-29-2011, 10:41 PM
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Location: San Diego, CA
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Originally Posted by Fiddlehead
It will be interesting to watch California.
Personally, I am not sure if it is a big fallout from the housing bubble, the illegal alien and mushrooming hispanic underclass, the outcome of low and dropping educational attainment, the wealthy who fleece everyone else, or all of the above.
It is like a beautiful but delapidated old house. The "bones" are still great, but it will remain to be seen if they can restore it to its former greatness.
There are many smart, very hardworking people in California, but the trajectories are troubling right now, that is for sure.
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Thanks... thats a reasonable question. I guess we will see how it pans out. Really though, it's so nice living in San Diego. I used to travel a lot professionally and I always stepped off the plane grateful to be back. |
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12-29-2011, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffrow1
Don't be a bonehead, show me where your tax dollars support California. We have a net outgo still as I recall. We are supporting you maybe?
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Still with the name calling I see...
Here, read these and get back to me:
Can the U.S. Government Afford to Let California Fail? - TIME
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/...EAQqdQ&cad=rja
Preparing for Welfare Block Grants: Issues Facing California | RAND |
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