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Old 12-30-2011, 04:00 AM
 
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Actualy ya get about 60 cents back per $1 paid. Not good , but better then a dime.

TaxProf Blog: Red States Feed at Federal Trough, Blue States Supply the Feed
that was from 2004.

from 2011, there is this:

California is exceptional in many ways when it comes to taxing its residents. The state has the highest statewide sales tax in the country, currently 8.25%. It also has the highest tax on gas, charging 46.6 cents per gallon. The state collects among the lowest amount of taxes from non-residents and business out of all the states. But with the lowest credit rating in the nation, according to S&P, an ongoing budget problem, and a $10.8 billion deficit, one of the biggest in the country, the state may want to change its approach.

Read more: States Where People Pay The Most (And Least) In Taxes - 24/7 Wall St. States Where People Pay The Most (And Least) In Taxes - 24/7 Wall St.

that seems like a very bad plan for the working citizens of california, especially with the large-scale immigration it has to absorb, and it is no wonder welfare is up so much.

poor NJ has the highest tax burden in the country, and alaska has the least.

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Old 12-30-2011, 04:09 AM
 
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Thats overall tax burdon including state income , sales and props. I thought we were talking fed taxes paid vs fed money recived?
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Old 12-30-2011, 04:12 AM
 
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Thats overall tax burdon including state income , sales and props. I thought we were talking fed taxes paid vs fed money recived?
i see your point, but why would you not include all tax burdens when figuring tax rates?

they all have to be paid by somebody.

also, isn't it important when analyzing how a state moves forward whether different revenue streams are sustainable or shrinking? how could you plan a budget otherwise? i think the point is that california needs to address collecting less revenue from its non citizens while providing more services to its non citizens, or they will continue to have the lowest credit rating in the country.
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Old 12-30-2011, 04:16 AM
 
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You should, I was just under the impression the discussion was about something else.
The fed part of the state deficit lies on your reps for not bringing home the bacon.
The state part lies with the state
Prop taxes lie with the selectmen, city council or the like.
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Old 12-30-2011, 04:19 AM
 
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You should, I was just under the impression the discussion was about something else.
The fed part of the state deficit lies on your reps for not bringing home the bacon.
The state part lies with the state
Prop taxes lie with the selectmen, city council or the like.
i always tend to veer off in the discussions, because something reminds me of another statistic that i read somewhere else.
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Old 12-30-2011, 04:41 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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This is not good for California. Their total population is 1/8 of the nations total yet they have 33% of the nations welfare recipients living there.

There's lots of cuts going on but the welfare in CA is just too attractive even with the cuts.

Nation's largest welfare state makes deep cuts (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/12/28/state/n103700S74.DTL&type=politics - broken link)
Advocates of welfare reform in California often cite one, eye-popping statistic as they have pressed for cuts and changes to the program in recent years: The state has one-eighth of the nation's population but one-third of all welfare recipients.
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The main reason California has such a high percentage of the nation's welfare cases is because it is one of the few states that continue to provide welfare checks for children once their parents are no longer eligible.
About three-quarters of California's welfare recipients are children age 18 and younger.
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California's relatively high cost of living and its large number of low-wage jobs make it difficult for residents to make ends meet, she said. By 2009, California saw 1.3 million apply for state assistance, and the number has continued to climb.
That's why they are bankrupt. I don't get why people insist on living on that grossly over-priced (cost of living) state. What a rip off! California is way over-rated.
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Old 12-30-2011, 04:49 AM
 
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This is why I truly, truly, truly believe that all programs need to be left up to the states. If California wants to be a state that just throws money around and to everyone regardless of how much money they steal from people.. then that's great!

But the federal government shouldn't be giving money to the states, at all.

CA probably is so high up there with the welfare nonsense because of all of the illegals living there. Once again, I say.. that's fine. Allow the states to do whatever. But we should never bail them out. What will they learn??? Nothing.
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Old 12-30-2011, 04:53 AM
 
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This is why I truly, truly, truly believe that all programs need to be left up to the states. If California wants to be a state that just throws money around and to everyone regardless of how much money they steal from people.. then that's great!

But the federal government shouldn't be giving money to the states, at all.

CA probably is so high up there with the welfare nonsense because of all of the illegals living there. Once again, I say.. that's fine. Allow the states to do whatever. But we should never bail them out. What will they learn??? Nothing.
Exactly, fed should be in charge of military and border security and thats about it.Charge a lot less in taxes and states could charge more.
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Old 12-30-2011, 04:54 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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What a stark example what 40 years of liberal politics can do.
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Old 12-30-2011, 04:58 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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[quote=EdwardA;22322649]What a stark example what 40 years of liberal politics can do.[/QUOTE
Yeah..blame the Dems. The Pubs just sit back and watch.
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