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Old 12-30-2011, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Well yes however after the 1950s revolution the biggest opposition was the Islamists. Of course the CIA became involved in the overthrow of the government in the 1950s and that turned many Iranians to further mistrust the USA. Prior to the 1950s the biggest opposition was secular nationalists.

If the CIA did not become so involved in the coup in Iran in the 1950s the Religious establishment within Iran would not become such an powerful force. Of course in the 1979 revolution secular nationalists unestimated the power of the religious establishment as they did not expect Iran to change radically from an secular nation into an Islamic state. Iran as an result became the first modern Islamist republic in the world.
The way I see it, they have their problems, we have ours, their problems are not ours. The less we butt into their affairs, the better for everybody. We elect Ron Paul, and the view of the west will change to a positive force, because we will start minding our own business.
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Old 01-06-2012, 02:56 PM
 
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Iran must be one of the most underestimated and misunderstood countries on Earth. They were one of the most civilized and important countries for thousands of years. They don't need foreigners to tell them how to live and what system to have. That however includes not only Westerners, but also the Muslim invaders who unfortunately turned that ancient civilization into a shadow of its former greatness. Just like in Egypt.
Very true. They were invaded more than a few times throughout history and they have been the invaders more than a few times. Irans history is no less and possibly more violent then many other countries. The idea that the UK and the US in this century are some how more evil than any other country is weak compared with the wholesale invasions in the past.
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Old 01-06-2012, 05:33 PM
 
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Still better than it is now by almost every conceivable measure.
Better for whom exactly?

That's pretty damn subjective, don'tcha think?
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Old 01-06-2012, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Very true. They were invaded more than a few times throughout history and they have been the invaders more than a few times. Irans history is no less and possibly more violent then many other countries. The idea that the UK and the US in this century are some how more evil than any other country is weak compared with the wholesale invasions in the past.
How many countries is Iran occupying? How many bases do they have around the world?
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Old 01-06-2012, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Gone
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I think it might be good to remember that before the Iranian revolution the leader was a dictator supported by a foreign power who was overthrown by a populist (not Islamic) movement. This hardly paints a rosy picture of pre revolution Iran
Excellent. I was around in those days and if things were so wonderful why on earth did the people of Iran overthrow their government. Shades of Saddam and Iraq folks the Shah was a monster.
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Old 01-06-2012, 11:47 PM
 
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Better for whom exactly?

That's pretty damn subjective, don'tcha think?
Women for one.

Seeing as how that is half the population I think I have proved my point.
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Old 01-07-2012, 09:11 AM
 
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Women for one.

Seeing as how that is half the population I think I have proved my point.
Women had more rights, so the old regime was better?

No, you MADE a point, but you didn't PROVE a point. Better in this case is still a subjective term no matter how you slice it.
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Old 01-07-2012, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Women had more rights, so the old regime was better?

No, you MADE a point, but you didn't PROVE a point. Better in this case is still a subjective term no matter how you slice it.
Subjective, yes.

Iran was definitely worse back then for Islamists.

Poor things.
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Old 01-07-2012, 12:54 PM
 
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Very true. They were invaded more than a few times throughout history and they have been the invaders more than a few times. Irans history is no less and possibly more violent then many other countries. The idea that the UK and the US in this century are some how more evil than any other country is weak compared with the wholesale invasions in the past.
What a laughable statement, honestly. America and especially Britain are among the most war mongering nations of the modern era. To my knowledge the state of Iran has initiated not a single war against its neighbors.

The warped view of Iran that westerners have today is a result of a campaign that began against them ever since the British got outraged that they would dare take control of their own natural resources.
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Old 01-07-2012, 01:08 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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What a laughable statement, honestly. America and especially Britain are among the most war mongering nations of the modern era. To my knowledge the state of Iran has initiated not a single war against its neighbors.

The warped view of Iran that westerners have today is a result of a campaign that began against them ever since the British got outraged that they would dare take control of their own natural resources.
Didn't Iraq even used chemical weapons against Iran, weapons made with the help of the West... When one looks at recent history, the way it was attacked by Iraq and dragged into a brutal, pointless war, one might understand that they don't trust anyone, especially the West, and want to be prepared for whatever comes.

While Persia did have its share of wars like almost any ancient civilization, the Persians were known for the fair treatment of the people in the lands they conquered.
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