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Why do Republicans have this love affair with rich people. So much, they can't stand the thought of having them pay their fair of taxes on their riches. Is it because the think they are "job creators". Want to avoid "class warfare". Or just admire people who "work hard". You would think they were the ones enjoying the lifestyle instead of the actual rich folks. Just curious to see their reasoning.
This is just a silly comment. I like anyone who is successful. This country will not regain its greatness by punishing success. Why is it so hard for people to live within their means instead of looking for others to sponge off of.
I find it hard to beleive that someone paying 100K in income taxes, at whatever rate they pay is not paying enough...especially compared to those who pay no income tax.
Governing is about making priorities and living within the budget, when revenues go down we need to live within our means...if someone is going to complain then they should pay more for their services (especially those 45% who pay no income taxes). THis country was not founded on pure socialist principals, and I have no desire for our country to become more like a European coutry, where the group is valued more than the individual....
I also do not begrudge the wealthy for their good fortune----in most cases, except for inheritance, they worked for that privildege.
Like so others on this thread, I just ask that the loopholes that exist be eliminated. I agree that an enforceable flat tax is the best option----to level the playing field for everybody.
The antiquated and mysterious current tax code just allows far too many escape hatches to shelter money.
All I can say to the wealthy is-----enjoy your good fortune----America is a great country and has allowed everybody to earn as much as he or she can-----its just reached the time that cutting programs and expenses is not the only path to our debt problem. The corrresponding corollary is to ask some of you to actually cut a check to the irs once in awhile----its not too much to ask.
And I'm sure that they confided in you all of their financial dealings.
Why, oh why do people feel the need to lie on this board??
It's not exactly a secret what the rich do to shelter their money from taxes and make themselves more rich. Not all of us have the means to accomplish what they can, but the ideas are still out there.
I also do not begrudge the wealthy for their good fortune----in most cases, except for inheritance, they worked for that privildege.
I wouldn't necessarily say that. What did corporate tycoons do that warrants an $8 million dollar bonus at the end of the year when the company is failing? What do Football players who are in and out of prison on murder and drug charges due to deserve 9 figure salaries? What does Congress do to warrant 6 figure salaries, 7 figure lobbying incentives, and getting away with insider trading?
They didn't work for it, it's all luck, opportunity, and in some cases scams/illegal.
Conservatives, such as myself, simply do not believe that levying extra taxes on people simply because they are successful is fair. Why should one person pay 100 times as much for the same services as everyone else just because they have more money. That's effing warped!
In addition we do not view rich people as the evil people that Hollywood and this president has desperately tried to convince us that they are.
I do not view rich people as evil either, but don't worship them, and I certainly don't see them as my "betters". Middle class people have just as much to contribute to the economy and society as a CEO does.
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Why do Democrats/Liberals/Progressives/Socialists pretend to love poor/middle class people so much?
I don't pretend. I AM middle class. I just resent the notion that people in my social station are not as valuable to society as rich people, somehow not as good and virtuous as those at the top--something clearly stated or implied by many conservatives on this board.
I do not view rich people as evil either, but don't worship them, and I certainly don't see them as my "betters". Middle class people have just as much to contribute to the economy and society as a CEO does.
Then why do they pay a much lower federal income tax rate than does a CEO?
I do not view rich people as evil either, but don't worship them, and I certainly don't see them as my "betters". Middle class people have just as much to contribute to the economy and society as a CEO does.
To society? Yes
To the economy, on an individual basis? No.
And, before anyone flames me, I am middle class.
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I don't pretend. I AM middle class. I just resent the notion that people in my social station are not as valuable to society as rich people, somehow not as good and virtuous as those at the top--something clearly stated or implied by many conservatives on this board.
No one's value to society is dependent upon his or her social class. Those in the middle class are, in many cases, a hell of a lot "better" and more virtuous. A lot of the people at the very top lied and cheated to get there. As an aside, I should mention that I despise corporate welfare even more than welfare for the poor.
With that said, the fact remains that a single wealthy individual can help the economy a lot more than a single middle class individual and can help more poor people than a single middle class person can.
I think all individuals and all businesses should be on an even playing field in so far as taxes go, without the special loopholes that so many of the wealthy/big corporations exploit.
FWIW, the majority of Republicans and conservatives are middle class and Republicans/conservatives *typically* support lower taxes for the middle class.
I should mention I pick up on a lot of nastiness coming from some of the conservatives on this forum directed towards the poor (not the middle class) and unemployed. I also think a few of the conservatives are liars about their personal rags to riches stories; I will not share names, but I do not believe them.
On the flip side, I think some of the liberals on the forum are naive when it comes to the poor and how best to help them. I think they mean well but, at the end of the day, I think some of their rhetoric is extreme and some of their ideas are simplistic. Many times I think they simply fail to consider or weigh the consequences of what they support.
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I think all individuals and all businesses should be on an even playing field in so far as taxes go, without the special loopholes that so many of the wealthy/big corporations exploit.
Explain where the "exploitation" is given these facts:
I think it comes from the right wing warped mentality that by defending and fighting for the rich, that they somehow will become magically rich themselves,..
.....while the Left thinks that empowering government to take more from the rich will make them rich.
Sorry, it will just make government rich.
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