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Old 12-31-2011, 09:12 AM
 
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They aren't fat either. Don't you understand that, with universal health care, also comes personal responsibility?
Just the opposite. If you pay for your own health insurance, YOU are personally responsible for your own health. Once the govt gets involved, it tells you how to live your life for you.

That's NOT freedom.
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Old 12-31-2011, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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It's what they are doing NOW, not what they have done in the past that is getting them out of this. There have been several changes in their policies recently that lean more conservative that is allowing them to do this.
You are dead wrong on this score. It's the policies of the previous LIBERAL government that are now bearing fruit. It was the liberals who eliminates the deficit for 12 straight years. As usual with a conservative government just about anywhere, they talk the talk but don't walk the walk. This present Harper government has created the largest deficit in Canadian history. So much for their "Conservative policies" getting Canada out of any kind of mess at all. As much as you right wingers in the USA would like to believe that Canada's present success is due to our conservative government I have to tall you that when it comes to actual policy Harper is far to the left of Obama. Just think for a minute about the systemic differences between the countries and unless Harper gutted Canada's social welfare state almost completely we will be to the left of the USA no matter who the president is there. Harper is just another politician who will do wharever he has to in order to be elected. Here is one example of an extreme left wing action taken by his government. Although he preaches, "Free market" when it comes down to the nitty gritty things can be quite different. Last year the largest mining company in the world was going to take over Potash Corp in the largest mining deal ever done. This company is largely owned by the people of Saskatchewan and wether or not the deal would have been good for business the people were almost 100% opposed to it. If this deal had been done then Mr. Harper would not have elected one single member in the province so he did what all self serving politiciand do, he quashed the deal under Canada's foreign investment review regulations. This action is anti free market and I agree 100% with it. What is good for the free market is not necessarily good for the people of the country and there we have it. A complete repuidation of everything "Conservative".

Canada also bailed out both GM Canada and Chrysler. It's a damn good thing we did too as it saved a million jobs or so and will ultimately make a big profit for the government. The incredible strength of the Canadian banks is due to, "REGULATION" and that is a dirty word to the American right.

There is no such animal as a Canadian idelogue in public life. You would never survive as a politician in this country if you were not very flexible. The entire idea of Canada is compromise on a large scale. Unlike the USA our Confederation is very decentralized and the power of the provinces is greater than the Federal government in most areas. Unlike the USA our feds do not intrude into the affairs of each individual,"state" province where they really have no business to be.

In reality comparing the USA to Canada is an excercise in fultility. It's worse than comparing apples to bananas. Just about every single fundamental about the two countries is just so utterly different. Our history is not comparable. Our political systems are light years apart. Our national goals are nowhere the same. Add to that the fact that the USA has ten times the population and comparisons become moote and irrelevant.
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Old 12-31-2011, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Somewhere Out West
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Just the opposite. If you pay for your own health insurance, YOU are personally responsible for your own health. Once the govt gets involved, it tells you how to live your life for you.

That's NOT freedom.
Except that in Canada the government doesn't get involved in your healthcare. All they do is pay the bills under the universal / single payer system in place. Your physician has TOTAL control over your healthcare; what treatment you receive etc. Totally opposite what US health insurance companies do when they dictate what they are willing to pay for.
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Old 12-31-2011, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Except that in Canada the government doesn't get involved in your healthcare. All they do is pay the bills under the universal / single payer system in place. Your physician has TOTAL control over your healthcare; what treatment you receive etc. Totally opposite what US health insurance companies do when they dictate what they are willing to pay for.
That must be why so many in Canada head to the US for treatment, elective surgery, preventative testing AND life saving treatment.

I mean, who wants to wait six months for an MRI while a cancer spreads?
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Old 12-31-2011, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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>This topic
>Conservatives praising Canada for policies that Liberals have been wanting for years

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Old 12-31-2011, 10:17 AM
 
Location: On Top
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That must be why so many in Canada head to the US for treatment, elective surgery, preventative testing AND life saving treatment.
How many, give me a number?

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I mean, who wants to wait six months for an MRI while a cancer spreads?
You're talking out of your rear end, that's nonsense.
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Old 12-31-2011, 10:35 AM
 
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Just the opposite. If you pay for your own health insurance, YOU are personally responsible for your own health. Once the govt gets involved, it tells you how to live your life for you.

That's NOT freedom.
Wrong! Freedom also comes from relieving the worry associated with a debillitating disease reducing you to abject penury.
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Old 12-31-2011, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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I wouldn't brag...that's actually nothing to be proud of. Providing defense for wealthy nations makes us an official Idiot Nation.

You should be embarrassed, not proud.
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Old 12-31-2011, 10:59 AM
 
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You are dead wrong on this score. It's the policies of the previous LIBERAL government that are now bearing fruit. It was the liberals who eliminates the deficit for 12 straight years. As usual with a conservative government just about anywhere, they talk the talk but don't walk the walk. This present Harper government has created the largest deficit in Canadian history. So much for their "Conservative policies" getting Canada out of any kind of mess at all. As much as you right wingers in the USA would like to believe that Canada's present success is due to our conservative government I have to tall you that when it comes to actual policy Harper is far to the left of Obama. Just think for a minute about the systemic differences between the countries and unless Harper gutted Canada's social welfare state almost completely we will be to the left of the USA no matter who the president is there. Harper is just another politician who will do wharever he has to in order to be elected. Here is one example of an extreme left wing action taken by his government. Although he preaches, "Free market" when it comes down to the nitty gritty things can be quite different. Last year the largest mining company in the world was going to take over Potash Corp in the largest mining deal ever done. This company is largely owned by the people of Saskatchewan and wether or not the deal would have been good for business the people were almost 100% opposed to it. If this deal had been done then Mr. Harper would not have elected one single member in the province so he did what all self serving politiciand do, he quashed the deal under Canada's foreign investment review regulations. This action is anti free market and I agree 100% with it. What is good for the free market is not necessarily good for the people of the country and there we have it. A complete repuidation of everything "Conservative".

Canada also bailed out both GM Canada and Chrysler. It's a damn good thing we did too as it saved a million jobs or so and will ultimately make a big profit for the government. The incredible strength of the Canadian banks is due to, "REGULATION" and that is a dirty word to the American right.

There is no such animal as a Canadian idelogue in public life. You would never survive as a politician in this country if you were not very flexible. The entire idea of Canada is compromise on a large scale. Unlike the USA our Confederation is very decentralized and the power of the provinces is greater than the Federal government in most areas. Unlike the USA our feds do not intrude into the affairs of each individual,"state" province where they really have no business to be.

In reality comparing the USA to Canada is an excercise in fultility. It's worse than comparing apples to bananas. Just about every single fundamental about the two countries is just so utterly different. Our history is not comparable. Our political systems are light years apart. Our national goals are nowhere the same. Add to that the fact that the USA has ten times the population and comparisons become moote and irrelevant.
Right on the money and add to that; we don't brag over a military like a kid in the schoolyard claiming "I can beat up anybody", but rather view the NEED for a military in a purely defensive role unless sanctioned otherwise by a unified body convened and agreed to for the purpose such as the U.N or NATO.
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Old 12-31-2011, 11:16 AM
 
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I wouldn't brag...that's actually nothing to be proud of. Providing defense for wealthy nations makes us an official Idiot Nation.

You should be embarrassed, not proud.
Especially if those "wealthy" nations with one tenth your population have neither expected or requested to be protected from a boogyman, either real or imagined, that YOU created!
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