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Old 12-31-2011, 08:01 AM
 
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I think that's kind of what we have today with much battling going on between the capitalism part and the socialist part as to who pays how much from one to fund the other. It will get worse though as neither side wants to give in to the other.
Indeed. It IS what we have today.
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Old 12-31-2011, 08:02 AM
 
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I think that's kind of what we have today with much battling going on between the capitalism part and the socialist part as to who pays how much from one to fund the other. It will get worse though as neither side wants to give in to the other.

The Fourth Turning is a good book about history as cyclic progression rather than linear progression and repetition. One system ends with much fighting and upheaval and pain while another comes in to takes it's place.

Civil War was one such time, the Great Depression/WWII was another and we are due soon as the 80 year cycle is coming to a close.
But why do other countries a better job with a capitalistic/socialist system than america?
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Old 12-31-2011, 08:05 AM
 
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Also this is about how many of these groups grew up on welfare handouts.

All these kids have known is that the government is the Great Provider of all good things. They didn't grow up watching a parent get up in the morning and go to work to put food on the table.

It's really a shame but these welfare babies are outnumbering the kids who grew up with an example of the work ethic.
Yep, by a rate of 3 to 1.
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Old 12-31-2011, 08:08 AM
 
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I teach my kids the difference between Capitalism and Socialism, I don't let the schools do the teaching.

Fairly often my kids want money for something and they know they will have to do some special work in order to earn this money.

On Capitalist days, the one who does this work, gets his money and can use as he wishes.

On Socialist days, the one who works gets told that it's not fair that he gets money while the others who laid around and played video games or slept until noon and did no work get nothing so it gets split "fairly".

Funny thing is, I can't get the kids to do any special work on Socialist days.
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Old 12-31-2011, 08:10 AM
 
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Yep, by a rate of 3 to 1.
What's interesting though - if it comes down to cuts in Socialist handout programs, these same Socialist kids will be glad to end Social Security and throw grandma and grampa to the wolves but they will want their free college, their food stamps, their housing assistance.

When it comes to Socialists, when push comes to shove watch out. It's really every group for itself.

Work is really the only bad 4 letter word they know of.
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Old 12-31-2011, 08:15 AM
 
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What's interesting though - if it comes down to cuts in Socialist handout programs, these same Socialist kids will be glad to end Social Security and throw grandma and grampa to the wolves but they will want their free college, their food stamps, their housing assistance.

When it comes to Socialists, when push comes to shove watch out. It's really every group for itself.

Work is really the only bad 4 letter word they know of.
Few, if any, think that far ahead and so SS becomes a natural to "gut".
Heck look at how many put off thinking about retirement until the 40's and end up working the rest of their lives because of that inaction.

The younger you are the less you care about what might come to you in 40+ years. They are all about "now".

And that is going to be one sad bunch of future 65 year olds that have no SS, no pensions and no 401Ks. What will they have to rely on ?
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Old 12-31-2011, 08:20 AM
 
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Socialism sounds good in theory, especially if you're young.

Once out in the real world, you realize that you may have a skill or ability that will bring you more income than your contemporaries.

At that point, you forget "equal".
Well, I believe in many if not most cases, success depends more on luck and personality than it does skill, talent, or ability.

I'm trying to pursue the hardest career in the world, and 90% of success does not depend on skill or talent.
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Old 12-31-2011, 08:24 AM
 
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But why do other countries a better job with a capitalistic/socialist system than america?
Homogeneity of their population, and their culture still emphasizes personal responsibility and a strong work ethic.

Fiddlehead explains it, here:
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Scandinavians... On one hand there country is far more homogeneous than ours, on the other hand, perhaps their culture emphasizes responsibility and industry to a greater degree than ours.
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Old 12-31-2011, 08:29 AM
 
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Homogeneity of their population, and their culture still emphasizes personal responsibility and a strong work ethic.

Fiddlehead explains it, here:
But I think Americans are hard-working people, don't you?
I think it could succeed in America as well. After all America is a society of Puritan culture.
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Old 12-31-2011, 08:29 AM
 
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And why not. Our education system promotes it with everyone's a winner, we're all the same, social promotion over actual skill. The family unit promotes it with kids getting what they want when they want it.

Then they become adults and reality is not how they grew up.
The recession and lack of jobs only drove the numbers upward this year.

The poll (Pew) had the following breakdown:

49% of the 18-29 crowd favor socialism
55% of Blacks favor socialism
59% of liberal Democrats favor socialism

Young People More Likely To Favor Socialism Than Capitalism: Pew
This type of attitude will eventually bite us in the butt. Especially in the arena of world economic competition.
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