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Old 01-08-2012, 12:42 PM
 
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How bad was the smoke coming from wtc7? How long did it take to fall after they pulled it.

You are obviously useless to use any technolgy:



WTC7 Smoke - YouTube

Smoke from WTC7 - YouTube


WTC7 Fire

Debunking the Debunkers: Debunking Joseph Nobles: Other Buildings


Not in order of fire progression:









Reports from Firefighters:
Representative Press Blog: WTC 7 was severely damaged on the south side of the building and was on fire for about 7 hours



There are many pictures showing smoke and fire, as the day wore on, that the fire got bigger and smoke eminating from nearly every floor within the building.

The fact you choose to ignore this, is your problem not ours.


Please show us the CABLES that were used to 'pull" WTC 7 down. Along with the cranes. "Pull" in Demoltion terms is to use a crane and contruction vehicles, attached to CABLES to pull down facades of buildings.

WTC 6 was pulled (demolished) in this fashion weeks after 911
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Old 01-08-2012, 01:00 PM
 
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Many of these regurgitated claims have been dealt with over and over again, on the net as well as on this forum. Here are some sites that address the older and non-dying claims by truthers and of course witness testimonies from those who were there. While truthers rely on non-experts and Youtube videos, real engineers and scholars submitted peer reviewed science based articles to recognized publications,

Reports and peer Reviewed articles:
WTC Disaster Study
Final Reports from the NIST World Trade Center Disaster Investigation
ArchitectureWeek - News - Engineers Explain WTC Collapse - 2002.0529
McGraw-Hill Construction | ENR - Research May Never Pinpoint Sequence of Events on 9/11
http://www.icivilengineer.com/News/WTC/Fire.html
Simulation for the collapse of WTC after aeroplane impact --- Proc. Int. Conf. on Protection of Structures Against Hazard, Lok TS eds. Singapore Nov. 2002. 57~60
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http://www.hera.org.nz/PDF%20Files/Elaboration%20on%20WTC%20Paper.PDF (broken link)
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Geotimes - November 2001 World Trade Center site
NOVA | Engineering Ground Zero
The Towers Lost and Beyond


Leading Firefighters magazine with testimonials from those on scene that day:
9/11 Magazine Articles - Firehouse


Debunking sites:
Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Homepage
Main Page - 911myths
Screw Loose Change
Main Page - 911myths
AE911Truth.INFO. Answering the questions of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
http://www.structuremag.org/archives/2007/March%202007/D-Spotlight-ComputerModeling-Mar07.pdf (broken link)
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/sund-flash.html
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Aerospaceweb.org | Ask Us - Pentagon & Boeing 757 Engine Investigation
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The Physics of 9/11 » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names



Scientists simulate jet colliding with World Trade Center - YouTube

9/11 Pentagon Attack Eyewitness Mike Walter - YouTube

911 Case Study: Pentagon Flight 77 - YouTube


For those searching, be sure to avoid any site hosted by World Nut Daily, Rense.com , Prisonplanet, infowars, 911research as these are truther sites that are devoid of facts, evidence and any recognizable intelligence.


But we all know that truthers don't seek the truth. They want to spread lies and misinformation about the event.
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Old 01-08-2012, 01:01 PM
 
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I would venture to guess that your first image is showing smoke (and pulverized debris) from tower 1 and/or 2. The other images do not show total involvement with fire in #7 by any stretch. Please provide a documented, searchable, time stamped photo or video of #7 with fire and smoke coming from every floor- OTHER than during the demolition. Thanks.
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Old 01-08-2012, 01:08 PM
 
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I would venture to guess that your first image is showing smoke (and pulverized debris) from tower 1 and/or 2. The other images do not show total involvement with fire in #7 by any stretch. Please provide a documented, searchable, time stamped photo or video of #7 with fire and smoke coming from every floor- OTHER than during the demolition. Thanks.

Your selective viewing is not our problem. The WTC 7 fires are well documented by photos and video. You can read the NIST Report as well as they included many of the photos.

the first photo is indeed smoke from WTC 7

And I stated, the photos are NOT IN ORDER OF FIRE PROGRESSION. Many of the photos of fire in the windows were from very early on in the day (a few moments after the collapse of WTC 1)

The entire West and South side of WTC 7 were engulfed in flames and smoke. Eye witness testimony (linked in the articles I linked previously) prove that no one at the scene were surprised by the building going to collapse that day.


Firefighter comments on WTC 7 on 9 11 - YouTube

The firefighter comments that it was leaning, that the fire was unfought, and if no one got in there, the structure was compromised. "there's no way to stop it" - and yes, that is SMOKE coming from WTC 7
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Old 01-08-2012, 01:36 PM
 
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Your selective viewing is not our problem. The WTC 7 fires are well documented by photos and video. You can read the NIST Report as well as they included many of the photos.

the first photo is indeed smoke from WTC 7


And I stated, the photos are NOT IN ORDER OF FIRE PROGRESSION. Many of the photos of fire in the windows were from very early on in the day (a few moments after the collapse of WTC 1)

The entire West and South side of WTC 7 were engulfed in flames and smoke. Eye witness testimony (linked in the articles I linked previously) prove that no one at the scene were surprised by the building going to collapse that day.


Firefighter comments on WTC 7 on 9 11 - YouTube

The firefighter comments that it was leaning, that the fire was unfought, and if no one got in there, the structure was compromised. "there's no way to stop it" - and yes, that is SMOKE coming from WTC 7
It sure doesn't like it- very interesting smoke behavior sort of hiding between buildings and keeping very straight lines and only coming out of one of the two visible aspects. Maybe there really was a smoke devil in the details.

I tried to trace the source of your photo to perhaps find additional info about it- but it is something you apparently extracted (without any accompanying info) from whatever the original source was.

Whatever. It is a small niggling point that you have had to resort to. Bottom line NO steel building, not even a 2 day towering inferno has ever fallen into dust in under 15 seconds! Some have had some partial collapse but all have remained standing.


Building 7 had a number of fires of limited extent and unknown duration before its precipitous total collapse at 5:20 PM. Official reports assume that debris from the fall of the North Tower ignited fires at 10:29 AM.


This photograph from FEMA's report, and others like it, appear to be the only evidence of emergent flames. Photographs of the building's north face show only small, barely visible fires. Photographs of the building's east face, apparently from the mid-afternoon, show flames emerging from an isolated section of the 11th floor. Photographs of the building's west face, apparently from the late afternoon, show several areas with smoke stains, but don't show any flames. There appear to be no photographs of Building 7 from a time shortly before its collapse that show large active fires.

WTC7.net the hidden story of Building 7: The Fires in Building 7

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Old 01-08-2012, 02:50 PM
 
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Below is a video of #7 immediately before and during the demolition- so there can be no question of when and what this video depicts (well, these days there can be questions about ANY image, but we'll assume this is a depiction of the actual event).

There is smoke seen at the upper left from some source either in or near #7. There were some fires in #7, but as can be seen it was certainly no towering inferno. No fire of any size or duration has EVER, before or since caused anything remotely resembling what happened to #7.


WTC 7 Explosion - YouTube


Madrid Windsor Tower fire:





Madrid fire out (what one would expect in the real world):




http://www.911myths.com/html/madrid_windsor_tower.html

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Old 01-08-2012, 02:51 PM
 
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Good video!
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Old 01-08-2012, 03:11 PM
 
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Madrid Windsor Tower fire:





Madrid fire out (what one would expect in the real world):
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yes, comparee a fire at night, to a fire in the day. apples to oranges

Why did you ignore the post where I refuted thee Madrid fire?"

Can you tell us today, where the Madrid tower? Please let us know what happened to this building.


Ooops. The building is gone, DEMOLISHED

Do you know why? Because it was deemed unsafe.

Do you know why? The fire that collapsed the top 12 floors of the building, made the rest of the building unsafe.

Why do you truthers LIE by omission?

Case Studies: Historical Fires: Windsor Tower Fire

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The Windsor Tower was completely gutted by the fire on 12 February 2005. A large portion of the floor slabs above the 17th Floor progressively collapsed during the fire when the unprotected steel perimeter columns on the upper levels buckled and collapsed (see Figure 1). It was believed that the massive transfer structure at the 17th Floor level resisted further collapse of the building.
This is what similarly happened in the WTC towers.

Your lying by omission is tired and old.
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Old 01-08-2012, 03:18 PM
 
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Mysterious deaths surrounding 9/11 witnesses.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvay2...eature=related
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Old 01-08-2012, 03:19 PM
 
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Below is a video of #7 immediately before and during the demolition- so there can be no question of when and what this video depicts (well, these days there can be questions about ANY image, but we'll assume this is a depiction of the actual event).

There is smoke seen at the upper left from some source either in or near #7. There were some fires in #7, but as can be seen it was certainly no towering inferno. No fire of any size or duration has EVER, before or since caused anything remotely resembling what happened to #7.


WTC 7 Explosion - YouTube


Madrid Windsor Tower fire:





Madrid fire out (what one would expect in the real world):




Madrid Windsor Tower

Awesome again. Makes you wonder who the real "truthers" are.
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