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Old 05-21-2012, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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He says nothing about z"depopulation." He talks of slowing population growth by 10-15%.

Anybody who thinks that is a bad thing is a blithering idiot.
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Old 05-21-2012, 05:41 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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He's probably talking about the questionable theory that a healthier population will have fewer children. However, I'm not sure that overloading people on vaccines is the correct way to accomplish that goal. He is right about one thing, the world's human population is far, far too large. It is decreasing slowly in some areas like Europe and Japan, but increasing drastically in others. The fact is that humans need to voluntarily and systematically reduce our population, or the planet will eventually do it by force. Some people think that no one should be able to mess with their reproductive rights and that's fine when you're dealing with another person or a government, but when the planet decides that it has had it with us there will be no negotiations, and the population reduction at that point won't be a nice gradual decline, it will be a massacre.
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Old 05-21-2012, 05:42 PM
 
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great, maybe we should start with him and his family 1st. after all if he is for it, then he would not mind getting the 1st shot. also all politicians get their shots second.
Funny how he backs the GMO seeds to these african countries also. He also has something to do with the hidden seed vault
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Old 05-21-2012, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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He's probably talking about the questionable theory that a healthier population will have fewer children. However, I'm not sure that overloading people on vaccines is the correct way to accomplish that goal. He is right about one thing, the world's human population is far, far too large. It is decreasing slowly in some areas like Europe and Japan, but increasing drastically in others. The fact is that humans need to voluntarily and systematically reduce our population, or the planet will eventually do it by force. Some people think that no one should be able to mess with their reproductive rights and that's fine when you're dealing with another person or a government, but when the planet decides that it has had it with us there will be no negotiations, and the population reduction at that point won't be a nice gradual decline, it will be a massacre.
The more children that are likely to live to adulthood, the lower the birthrate. Of this, there is no doubt.

There is NO question about the science of vaccines. They are safe, and they are effective.

Where is the birthrate "increasing dramatically"? Please post link.
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Old 05-21-2012, 05:58 PM
 
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Just ran across this and it is scary at best. How does anyone get to a place where this thought would even be ok?



In a recent conference in California, Gates reveals a less public agenda of his philanthropy―population reduction, otherwise known as eugenics.

In plain English, one of the most powerful men in the world states clearly that he expects vaccines to be used to reduce population growth.

Now that sounds like noble philanthropic work. The problem is that the vaccine industry has been repeatedly caught dumping dangerous―meaning unsafe because untested or proven harmful―vaccines onto unwitting Third World populations when they cannot get rid of the vaccines in the West.3

Gates Vaccines
How is it eugenics? Population growth needs to be reduced. There's not a question in my mind about that. We have 7 billion (and counting) citizens, and half of them are living on less than two dollars a day and can't even find clean water to drink. Seems like the humane thing to suggest.
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Old 05-21-2012, 06:04 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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How is it eugenics? Population growth needs to be reduced. There's not a question in my mind about that. We have 7 billion (and counting) citizens, and half of them are living on less than two dollars a day and can't even find clean water to drink. Seems like the humane thing to suggest.


really? I have heard of studies that every country outside of africa stopped giving aid to africa, they entire continent wuld depopulate itself in 50 years. sounds like a way to solve that problem without any vaccine at all.

thats 1 billion less, all we have to do is stop lending them any money at all.
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Old 05-21-2012, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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How is it eugenics? Population growth needs to be reduced. There's not a question in my mind about that. We have 7 billion (and counting) citizens, and half of them are living on less than two dollars a day and can't even find clean water to drink. Seems like the humane thing to suggest.
Most poverty in the world is because of badly run countries.
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Old 05-21-2012, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Just ran across this and it is scary at best. How does anyone get to a place where this thought would even be ok?



In a recent conference in California, Gates reveals a less public agenda of his philanthropy―population reduction, otherwise known as eugenics.

In plain English, one of the most powerful men in the world states clearly that he expects vaccines to be used to reduce population growth.

Now that sounds like noble philanthropic work. The problem is that the vaccine industry has been repeatedly caught dumping dangerous―meaning unsafe because untested or proven harmful―vaccines onto unwitting Third World populations when they cannot get rid of the vaccines in the West.3

Gates Vaccines
Vaccines are saving people, not killing them....You need to get off those conspiracy sites because there is no truth there.....Here is Gate's thinking on this....Gates says. Most parents don’t choose to have eight children because they want to have big families, it turns out, but because they know many of their children will die. “If a mother and father know their child is going to live to adulthood, they start to naturally reduce their population size,” says Melinda.
In terms of giving, Gates did a 180-degree turn. Rather than prevent births, he would aim his billions at saving the kids already born. “We moved pretty heavily into vaccines once we understood that,” says Gates.
With Vaccines, Bill Gates Changes The World Again - Forbes
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Old 05-21-2012, 06:06 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The more children that are likely to live to adulthood, the lower the birthrate. Of this, there is no doubt.

Maybe in non-human populations, but that's not necessarily true in human populations because culture and other factors play a role.

There is NO question about the science of vaccines. They are safe, and they are effective.

Perhaps there is no question in your mind, but there is certainly a question in the minds of millions of educated people around the world

Where is the birthrate "increasing dramatically"? Please post link.

I didn't say birthrate, I said population. You can hold the birthrate steady at 2.5 and the population will still eventually increase exponentially.
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Old 05-21-2012, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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really? I have heard of studies that every country outside of africa stopped giving aid to africa, they entire continent wuld depopulate itself in 50 years. sounds like a way to solve that problem without any vaccine at all.

thats 1 billion less, all we have to do is stop lending them any money at all.
Depopulation through starvation? Sounds like a plan, NOT!
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