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Old 01-06-2012, 09:32 AM
 
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I find the extremist Left in the democrat party every bit as scary.

The moderates are the worst of all. That is to say there is no significant political force that is even remotely correct. Reminds me of Nazi Germany where everyone was a Nazi and it seemed right.
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Old 01-06-2012, 10:39 AM
 
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You think that it is perfectly acceptable to summarize the enormously complex issue of providing healthcare for over 300 million people to a soundbite of "but the richest and most powerful country in the world doesn't care about helping its citizens?"

That is an incredibly unintelligent argument.

The vast majority of human beings believe in a deity. And that includes those human beings that you claim are are laughing at us.
I'll rephrase: "a political climate with more interest in money than giving people access to health care that doesn't cause bankruptcy".

And religion has nothing to do with a deity.
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Old 01-06-2012, 11:40 AM
 
Location: El Paso, Texas
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Europeans think American politics is a comedy show without any substance. Most of our politicians would have to look for new employment in Europe after their first speech.
Yes, I'm sure national socialists think the same. I'm sure the north Koreans think American politics is a joke as well. I think that's a good thing.
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Old 01-06-2012, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Yorkshire, England
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What gets me more than the partisanship (we have plenty of that here, but generally it's reserved for the politicians at Prime Minister's Question Time - you'll struggle to find a British forum where people act as cheerleaders for their side as much as some of the crazies on here) is how ridiculously long and complicated your election campaigns are and how so much of it is down to how much financial backing a candidate has. Months of generating publicity, months of primaries and caucuses, months of people waving flags and pom-poms and getting really excited at overly stage-managed conferences and rallies, then the election (and after all the hype and the money spent half the people don't even vote! Lol!) and even then the new president has to wait another few months to take over, leaving the existing president a sitting duck (why?)

In Britain the party leaders/election candidates are elected internally amongst MPs or members of the party, not the general public - we often know years in advance who the election candidates will be, and people vote more for the party and their manifesto than the personality. Elections are not usually major talking points among the average person, and I've never seen a car bumper sticker saying who somebody voted for - they just wouldn't be produced in the first place. One other big difference is that campaigning generally takes no more than 4-6 weeks (the election dates are not set in stone - the PM can call an election whenever he/she likes within five years of the previous one, and doesn't have to give much notice in advance) and as soon as one side claims victory their leader goes to Buckingham Palace to ask the Queen's permission to form a government (it's just a formality, though she is the head of state and in theory could say no) and becomes PM usually within hours of the polls closing. Voter turnout has fallen in recent years but is generally about 65%.
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Old 01-06-2012, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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I find the extremist religious right influence in the GOP really scary.
How do you mean?
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Old 01-06-2012, 12:17 PM
 
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Yes, I'm sure national socialists think the same. I'm sure the north Koreans think American politics is a joke as well. I think that's a good thing.
The rest of the World thinks that of us. We are a dumb, uneducated, primitive nation.
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Old 01-06-2012, 02:09 PM
 
Location: El Paso, Texas
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The rest of the World thinks that of us. We are a dumb, uneducated, primitive nation.
There is no "we" as there certainly is nothing in common between us. The rest of the world is made up of banana republics with Europe leading the stupidity as everyone else tries to be like Europe. The problem with Europe and most of the world is the Borg mentality which is what has led to many bloody wars and genocides in Europe. When a political ideal picks up steam in Europe the individual fools all compete to be the most extreme along the lines of that political view mostly as a form of peer pressure to remain part of the collective. Europe hasn't learned and is moving toward another genocide which will involve the middle eastern people who are moving to Europe. The rest of the world erroneously tries to be like Europe.

Your belief that the political views that are not like yours are held by stupid uneducated primitives is exactly why europeans have managed to bring about so many bloody wars and genocides because they and you are so intolerant of the political views of others that you do not even believe that people with different political views are equals or are as human as you and you therefore feel like an uebermensch and we know what uebermenschen do when they are free to do what they want to the "dumb, uneducated and primitive" people that they despise.
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Old 01-06-2012, 02:30 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Do our discussions educate and enlighten you? Or do they make us look like an uncivilized people?
I would say they used to surprise me in a negative way. I had somewhat negative expectations when I came this board, but they were far surpassed. In real life I only have to do with rather educated Americans, engineers mostly, so I had made the mistake to extrapolate their level to US society as a whole.
To me the politics forum is like a freak show, and sometimes I have to force myself not to dislike the US as a whole and leave this board. I keep telling myself that there are other Americans, who unfortunately don't write on this forum, though. I know them from other forums.
Sometimes the way Americans think is so odd to me that I am not sure if people really mean it or are just kidding. Unfortunately, I know by now most of them are not kidding.
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Old 01-06-2012, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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The moderates are the worst of all. That is to say there is no significant political force that is even remotely correct. Reminds me of Nazi Germany where everyone was a Nazi and it seemed right.
I think history shows that extreme ideologies, Left or Right, take hold when there is no middle. I think that may well be what's happening in this country, but perspective doesn't come easy.
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Old 01-06-2012, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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The rest of the World thinks that of us. We are a dumb, uneducated, primitive nation.
And yet they flock here in their thousands. We are still a nation of immigrants, not emigrants. At almost every American Embassy in the world are two lines of people: A line of people protesting against us for this or that, and a line inside waiting to get immigrant visas.
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