Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 01-07-2012, 01:08 AM
 
Location: Alaska
7,506 posts, read 5,753,469 times
Reputation: 4890

Advertisements

Labor Unions | Obamacare Waivers | The Daily Caller

I can't wait to hear the liberal explanations for this one. I thought this was a health care for all bill? Apparently not..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 01-07-2012, 09:17 AM
 
20,343 posts, read 19,930,346 times
Reputation: 13460
Quote:
Labor Unions receive majority of Health Care waivers
What a surprise. Who didn't see that coming.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-07-2012, 09:22 AM
 
1,027 posts, read 1,257,051 times
Reputation: 892
I can't wait to hear the conservative explanation why so many Americans are rejecting a Republican healthcare plan (RomneyCare).

"We can accomplish the same thing for the ENTIRE nation" - Mitt Flip Flop Romney quote on ObamaRomneyCare.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-07-2012, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
22,229 posts, read 17,858,215 times
Reputation: 4585
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crossfire600 View Post
Labor Unions | Obamacare Waivers | The Daily Caller

I can't wait to hear the liberal explanations for this one. I thought this was a health care for all bill? Apparently not..
Here. Maybe this will help you find out what the Healthcare Law is.

The Health Care Law & You | HealthCare.gov
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-07-2012, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
4,697 posts, read 6,449,100 times
Reputation: 5047
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crossfire600 View Post
Labor Unions | Obamacare Waivers | The Daily Caller

I can't wait to hear the liberal explanations for this one. I thought this was a health care for all bill? Apparently not..
The article is very poorly written, and I can certainly understand why someone reading it may come away with the wrong impression.

For example, the last sentence in the article:

Quote:
By and large, unions backed the health care overhaul, a law from which nearly a half million of their workers are now exempt.
This is totally incorrect. Those workers are NOT exempt (any more than Members of Congress are exempt). The waivers address one aspect of the law, and the waivers are temporary.

The second-to-last sentence in the article:

Quote:
HHS granted waivers on a year-by-year basis under its initial application process, but waivers granted after June 17 are valid for a maximum of two-and-a-half years.
Yes - not as clear as it could be, but it does get across the point that the waivers are temporary - they expire.

So, what ARE these waivers? Well, a lot of people already have health insurance. Many of those people are covered by policies that have annual limits on how much the insurance company will pay out. The Affordable Care Act prohibits lifetime and annual dollar limits on benefits.

Many of the employers and insurers who offer such policies would face a significant financial burden if they had to eliminate such dollar limits prior to other options being available to them. And such options will become available when the state health insurance exchanges are up and running in 2014.

So, such organizations - individual companies, insurers, and unions (a lot of people have their health insurance through their union) - can apply for and obtain temporary waivers for this part of the Affordable Care Act only.

For a detailed explanation, see:

Annual Limits Policy: Protecting Consumers, Maintaining Options, and Building the Bridge to 2014 | HealthCare.gov

Annual Limits | cciio.cms.gov
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-07-2012, 09:53 AM
 
13,900 posts, read 9,773,129 times
Reputation: 6856
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crossfire600 View Post
Labor Unions | Obamacare Waivers | The Daily Caller

I can't wait to hear the liberal explanations for this one. I thought this was a health care for all bill? Apparently not..
How long are the waivers for?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-07-2012, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
86,052 posts, read 84,495,743 times
Reputation: 27720
Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenGene View Post
The article is very poorly written, and I can certainly understand why someone reading it may come away with the wrong impression.

For example, the last sentence in the article:

This is totally incorrect. Those workers are NOT exempt (any more than Members of Congress are exempt). The waivers address one aspect of the law, and the waivers are temporary.

The second-to-last sentence in the article:

Yes - not as clear as it could be, but it does get across the point that the waivers are temporary - they expire.

So, what ARE these waivers? Well, a lot of people already have health insurance. Many of those people are covered by policies that have annual limits on how much the insurance company will pay out. The Affordable Care Act prohibits lifetime and annual dollar limits on benefits.

Many of the employers and insurers who offer such policies would face a significant financial burden if they had to eliminate such dollar limits prior to other options being available to them. And such options will become available when the state health insurance exchanges are up and running in 2014.

So, such organizations - individual companies, insurers, and unions (a lot of people have their health insurance through their union) - can apply for and obtain temporary waivers for this part of the Affordable Care Act only.

For a detailed explanation, see:

Annual Limits Policy: Protecting Consumers, Maintaining Options, and Building the Bridge to 2014 | HealthCare.gov


Annual Limits | cciio.cms.gov
And those of us that have similar insurance outside of unions will get hit with that "significant financial burden" in the form of much higher premiums which we are already seeing.

Yeah..ONLY the unions will have financial problems. Nice way to throw anyone who has insurance under the bus.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-07-2012, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
22,229 posts, read 17,858,215 times
Reputation: 4585
Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
And those of us that have similar insurance outside of unions will get hit with that "significant financial burden" in the form of much higher premiums which we are already seeing.

Yeah..ONLY the unions will have financial problems. Nice way to throw anyone who has insurance under the bus.
Err... you have been hit with much higher premiums for the last few decades, and yes, you still are. In 2014, that will slow down.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-07-2012, 11:20 AM
 
7,934 posts, read 9,156,295 times
Reputation: 9354
Quote:
Originally Posted by florida.bob View Post
Err... you have been hit with much higher premiums for the last few decades, and yes, you still are. In 2014, that will slow down.
Our candidate in chief promised a $2500 reduction in premiums during the 2008 campaign, not a slowing down.
Lets see if its more BS from the great orator.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-07-2012, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
86,052 posts, read 84,495,743 times
Reputation: 27720
Quote:
Originally Posted by florida.bob View Post
Err... you have been hit with much higher premiums for the last few decades, and yes, you still are. In 2014, that will slow down.
No. Up until last year it was between 8-10%.
Last year and this year is 20%.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:03 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top