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View Poll Results: Did you choose your sexual orientation?
I chose to be gay 3 2.03%
I did not choose to be gay 30 20.27%
I chose to be lesbian 3 2.03%
I did not choose to be lesbian 4 2.70%
I chose to be bi-sexual 1 0.68%
I did not choose to be bi-sexual 6 4.05%
I chose to be heterosexual 27 18.24%
I did not choose to be heterosexual 78 52.70%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 148. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-09-2012, 09:46 AM
 
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No, sexuality is who or what you have sex with. Attraction is what you're drawn to; what you like. If you can't understand this distinction, I don't know what else to tell you.
No, sexuality refers exclusively to one's attractions. That is the scientific definition of Sexual Orientation. Sexual behavior refers to who one has sex with.

They are not the same thing. I'm amazed you can't grasp even basic definitions.

Homosexual = a person who is attracted only to members of their own sex.
Heterosexual = a person who is attracted only to members of the opposite sex.
Bisexual = a person who is attracted to members of both sexes.

A guy who has never had sex with anyone, but only finds women attractive is by definition, heterosexual. If and when he has sex, he will be acting on his heterosexuality. But the sex act isn't what makes him heterosexual.
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:47 AM
 
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Again, just because you were born gay does not mean that others in homosexual relationships did not choose it. You don't speak for all gay people.
We're talking about choosing sexuality, not choosing sex acts. It's possible - unfortunately prevalent - for homosexuals to choose to be in heterosexual relationships. People who do that have not chosen to be heterosexual, they've chosen to live a lie discordant with their sexuality. They are not heterosexual.

Likewise, it's certainly possible for a heterosexual to choose to be in a homosexual relationship (although in this society I think that would be exceptionally rare except maybe in prison out of a need for protection - essentially a coerced decision almost tantamount to rape). If for some reason you chose to date and have sex with a women, it wouldn't make you homosexual.
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:49 AM
 
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No, sexuality refers exclusively to one's attractions. That is the scientific definition of Sexual Orientation. Sexual behavior refers to who one has sex with.

They are not the same thing.

I'm amazed you can't grasp even basic definitions.

Homosexual = a person who is attracted only to members of their own sex.
Heterosexual = a person who is attracted only to members of the opposite sex.
Bisexual = a person who is attracted to members of both sexes.

A guy who has never had sex with anyone, but only finds women attractive is by definition, heterosexual. If and when he has sex, he will be acting on his heterosexuality. But the sex act isn't what makes him heterosexual.
You can say "Yes it is", I can say, "No it isn't", and we can keep going back and forth ad infinitum. I know one thing: it doesn't make you right.


I've made my point clear, and now you're just repeating what I already rebutted, gearing up for another cycle of the same argument. You obviously have some stake in how I live my life, since you refuse to accept the determinations I've made for myself; Why is that?
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:49 AM
 
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No, that isn't what I'm telling you; "virgin" is defined by specifically by penetration, whereas sexuality and "sex" is more broadly defined than that. And being "attracted" to something or someone is yet another matter.

I understand, though, that not everyone is familiar with what these words mean.



Ok, good for you.
Sexuality = attractions. I realize you seem to like being dense about this, but we're going by what medical organizations and biologists who actually study sexuality define it as. Not what some random confused person on the internet wants to pretend it is.
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:51 AM
 
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Like it or not, there are SOME gay people who have chosen to be gay. For whatever reason (imprisonment, trauma, abuse, etc). Just because it was not a choice for you, does not mean it wasn't a choice for others.
There may be a tiny minority, but I think it's astronomically rare, and I have yet to see any legitimate scientific research that indicates people choose to be gay or straight.

This thread has merely made it clear some people are confused about what choice and sexual orientation even means.
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:53 AM
 
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Not all sex between men in prison is rape. Some do it because it's what's available.
It's usually rape. One man is almost always forcing a weaker man to have sex.
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:56 AM
 
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Sexuality = attractions. I realize you seem to like being dense about this, but we're going by what medical organizations and biologists who actually study sexuality define it as. Not what some random confused person on the internet wants to pretend it is.
Who is "we" ? Someone asked me a question and I responded. I never asked your opinion on a damn thing, and yet, you're here trying to tell me what I am, and what I'm not.
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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I am so ugly old and hideous i have no choice but to me neutral sex
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Metro DC area
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There may be a tiny minority, but I think it's astronomically rare, and I have yet to see any legitimate scientific research that indicates people choose to be gay or straight.

This thread has merely made it clear some people are confused about what choice and sexual orientation even means.
If you have yet to see legitimate scientific research on the matter, how do you know it's rare? Being gay doesn't give you insight into the minds of all gay people.

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It's usually rape. One man is almost always forcing a weaker man to have sex.
Again, how do you know? I think the rape in prison thing is highly exaggerated. There are men in prison who engage in sex with other men because it's accessible. These men have sex with other straight men as well as with the queens/gays that are imprisoned.
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Old 01-09-2012, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Metro DC area
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We're talking about choosing sexuality, not choosing sex acts. It's possible - unfortunately prevalent - for homosexuals to choose to be in heterosexual relationships. People who do that have not chosen to be heterosexual, they've chosen to live a lie discordant with their sexuality. They are not heterosexual.

Likewise, it's certainly possible for a heterosexual to choose to be in a homosexual relationship (although in this society I think that would be exceptionally rare except maybe in prison out of a need for protection - essentially a coerced decision almost tantamount to rape). If for some reason you chose to date and have sex with a women, it wouldn't make you homosexual.
Doesn't performing a sex act define your sexuality? If I have sex with men and women, am I not bi? If just men, straight? If just women, lesbian? Is this thread just about gays who are virgins?

Do you see what you're saying in your scenarios? In essence:

If a gay person chooses to live a heterosexual life, they are still gay.
If a straight person chooses to live a gay life, they are still straight.

How does that double standard work?
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