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Old 01-09-2012, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA View Post
What a whiner. "I could start a business and become really successful, but The Man is holding me down!"
Where in the article did the author speak in this manner? He seemed to be making what he thought were logical conclusions. Would you rather people not say anything they believe is wrong with the economy, especially in this country that has been through the cancer of socialism?
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Old 01-09-2012, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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So you don't hire people in the US because of maternity leave in Hungry?

I find it laughable that anyone who thinks like that would be in a position to hire anyone at all, except for repairs around their home.
Did you not read any of the link? Surely you could tell that the OP was only trying to tell us what is going on in some of those too far left leaning European countries. We don't have those stupid regulations here, yet.
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Old 01-09-2012, 01:29 PM
 
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So you're saying that if Greeks kept less of their already low income to spend on necessities and discretionary spending, they'd be better off?
I'm saying that if the Greek government didn't institute a policy of first letting anyone who can claim to be independent (i.e., doctors, lawyers, other professionals) report their own income and then - as a matter of policy to win reelection - not audit their tax returns - they would have enough money to cover their foreign debt quite easily.

You didn't know this? The Greek government paid off the high earners with de facto tax exemptions for years. There are more Porsches on Greek roads than there are people declaring incomes 50,000 Euros or more. The Greek aren't broke. The Greek government is.
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Old 01-09-2012, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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What a whiner. "I could start a business and become really successful, but The Man is holding me down!" I'm fairly certain that writer is better off not being an entrepreneur. And going by the sound of it, people are better off not working for him, either.

ETA: He does have a point as regards corruption. If officials start taking bribes, any economy is pretty much doomed to fail at the first crisis.
I guess we read that link with totally different frames of reference. I thought that he was a caring employer who wanted to treat his people pretty good. Did you notice the part about not wanting to pay the lowest wages around?
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Old 01-09-2012, 01:32 PM
 
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Where in the article did the author speak in this manner?
Ehm - throughout it?

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He seemed to be making what he thought were logical conclusions. Would you rather people not say anything they believe is wrong with the economy, especially in this country that has been through the cancer of socialism?
Heavens no, he's free to say what he wants.
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Old 01-09-2012, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Did you post by accident to the wrong thread? WTH did that rant come from?
I think it came from a very serious progressive who doesn't have the ability to understand any of this. Other than the way progs see things.
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Old 01-09-2012, 01:39 PM
 
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IMHO - any society that prefers to transfer wealth to the plutocrats by failing to support ALL children is not only going to fail but deserves it. I ask why the development of any child’s social and intellectual potential should be stifled by a parent's ability to spend whatever is needed to let the child develop as much as possible. Why should a dolt born to wealth become successful no matter how many failures while a genius born to impoverished parents be condemned to following their mother into Wall Mart?

There is more to an economy than next week’s profits and more to a society than punishing children for being dumb enough to select poor, stupid or drug addled parents. I guess this is to odd a concept for our right wing paternalistic fools to grasp.
So in your mind it is reasonable to pay someone to not work for three years just because they had a kid and it is unreasonable for the person who worked 80 hour weeks for decades of their life to build a successful company to keep the profit from that very company? If a genius is born to impoverished parents, that person can easily go to school and become successful. No one is stopping them. I guess it is an odd concept for you to grasp that a person should be able to keep what he earned through blood, sweat and tears.
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Old 01-09-2012, 05:43 PM
 
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I thought it was the fact that the state requires that any woman who gives birth must be kept on, in a non-working status, for 3 years. I don't think I would want to hire women so that they could take off that long for child birth and then have to take them back and get rid of their replacements. I wonder if the progressives who passed laws like that ever gave any thought to what they were doing to employers.
As a woman, I wouldn't want three years maternity leave. I think that if a woman wishes to have children and stay home that long, she should get married, save up the money, and not expect some employer to cover her SAHM status. That's what I would do if I were to decide to become a SAHM.

If I were an entrepreneur in Europe, I would just hire a bunch of single people who have no plans of having children if I had to pay people not to work for three years.
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Old 01-09-2012, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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So in your mind it is reasonable to pay someone to not work for three years just because they had a kid and it is unreasonable for the person who worked 80 hour weeks for decades of their life to build a successful company to keep the profit from that very company? If a genius is born to impoverished parents, that person can easily go to school and become successful. No one is stopping them. I guess it is an odd concept for you to grasp that a person should be able to keep what he earned through blood, sweat and tears.
There is nothing in the OP's link that says the leave would be paid. The author of that screed also says he wouldn't hire anyone over 50, b/c they are a protected class and can't be fired. What a guy!
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Old 01-09-2012, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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As a woman, I wouldn't want three years maternity leave. I think that if a woman wishes to have children and stay home that long, she should get married, save up the money, and not expect some employer to cover her SAHM status. That's what I would do if I were to decide to become a SAHM.

If I were an entrepreneur in Europe, I would just hire a bunch of single people who have no plans of having children if I had to pay people not to work for three years.
Nothing indicates that this leave is paid.
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