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Old 01-12-2012, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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The banks and financial markets are to blame for floating loose credit and dispersing it to illegals.

Yet no CEOs are in jail.
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Old 01-12-2012, 02:28 PM
 
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Sorry you don't understand. When someone uses numbers as in "a few billions", that is a claim that can either supported with data of it is just a fabrication pulled out of the air.

If you want to start juvenile insults, I'll be glad to oblige. I am a master at it.
It was not a juvenile insult. The surefire way to make money is to buy land and sit on it. And so am I.


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Old 01-12-2012, 02:46 PM
 
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Unless of course the EPA declares your land a wetland.
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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The lack of savings accounts is not the problem w/ the middle class. It's the lack of income and dwindling size of the middle class. Saving or consumption are the same side of the same coin. Whether I save $1000 over 10 paychecks or spend $100 out of each paycheck doesn't change or explain anything.

Over the last 40 years, the middle class has seen their wages stagnate (or drop if they're in an "unlucky" industry) while costs for gas, insurance, school, debts, savings, etc climb. We've gone from a society where a single income middle-class family could earn enough to provide for the basics, enjoy some luxuries, pay for a good school, and build up their own wealth. Good luck trying that now if you're not in that top bracket.
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:32 PM
 
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Hard to save when you gotta have the next new fancy gadget or a 400 a month lease payment on a car and your making 50K a year along with your 2K dollar mortgage payment for the house you couldn't afford.
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Hard to save when you gotta have the next new fancy gadget or a 400 a month lease payment on a car and your making 50K a year along with your 2K dollar mortgage payment for the house you couldn't afford.
Again, saving is irrelevant to the plight of the middle class. It doesn't make the middle-class stronger, it doesn't make the economy stronger. It's a red herring. You can be on minimum wage and "save" money. That doesn't change the fact that min wage in real $ is 40% less than it was 40 years ago.
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:42 PM
 
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What does min wage have to do with the middle class?
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:46 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Yes, the Middle Class slit its own throat.

As I've said before, the current Middle Class has to be the most stupid Middle Class to have ever existed in the Universe, including parallel and alternate universes which theoretically may or may not exist.
There's a reason for that...

Heterogeneous (mixed-ability) grouping and focusing on the least-able students in the class. The result: precipitous academic proficiency declines among the top and middle students, aka a dumbed-down American citizenry:
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While students in the bottom quartile have shown slow but steady improvement since the 1960s, average test scores have nonetheless gone down, primarily because of the performance of those in the top quartile. This "highest cohort of achievers," Rudman writes, has shown "the greatest declines across a variety of subjects as well as across age-level groups." Analysts have also found "a substantial drop among those children in the middle range of achievement," he continues, "but less loss and some modest gains at the lower levels." In other words, our brightest youngsters, those most likely to be headed for selective colleges, have suffered the most dramatic setbacks over the past two decades
The other crisis in American education
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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What does min wage have to do with the middle class?
B/c it's the same predicament of stagnant or declining wages while costs of living skyrocket. The "advice" you're peddling is as useful to solving the problem of being poor as it is to solving the decline of the middle class.
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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B/c it's the same predicament of stagnant or declining wages while costs of living skyrocket. The "advice" you're peddling is as useful to solving the problem of being poor as it is to solving the decline of the middle class.
The government REMOVES food/energy and then tells you there is no inflation therefore your employer gives you no raise.
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