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Old 01-13-2012, 05:13 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Memphis1979 View Post
Photo ID's aren't free. It costs money to buy them.

There are some people who either have to decide, buy bread and milk, or get a photo ID so I can vote?

Now, it isn't fair to them. If the government issued every registered voter a FREE voter ID card, then I wouldn't oppose it then.

In essence, its a poll tax. They already do this with automobiles. You can spend 30,000 dollars on a car. But if you don't pay taxes, then tags each year, and a drivers license that costs more money, you can't drive on the roads that the public owns.

Its big government intervention in a simple problem. Very few people vote without ID, most people have ID. Its a minimal number, and not enough to warrant the response many are suggesting, preventing your right to vote without paying the state money.

Poll tax
It's way more people than you think. According to the Justice Department, almost 82,000 minority voters in South Carolina don't have the proper id--that number doesn't include other groups that might be impacted like the elderly and disabled.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/24/us...lina.html?_r=1

That makes it even more obvious that this is a thinly veiled attempt at voter suppression--even FOX news says this type of voter fraud is extremely rare. It's a made up problem. Some people want to potentially restrict 82,000 people from the polls over a handful of voter fraud cases in the last decade. I don't care which side you vote for--that's immoral and just plain wrong. I don't know how those people call themselves Christians (or Americans) and sleep at night.

Voter ID Laws Target Rarely Occurring Voter Fraud | Fox News
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Old 01-13-2012, 08:04 PM
 
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Here are some outstanding examples of it, I think. Admittedly this was only New Hampshire in a primary but so many zombies could have voted in the Democrat primary if one man had taken the so easy to get ballots for the Dem party. Oh yes, you will find that in every case he was offered a Democrat ballot when he claimed to be a dead person.

Maybe the best example of why we need IDs, these days, is exhibited at the end of the video. The man says that there are people scanning obits from all over the state to see when people die and expunge their names from the registered rolls. He says it only takes about a month and yet some of the people who the "zombie" said he was died back as early as last October.

Count how many times this man could have voted for dead people in the video. I was amazed at it all.

Dead People Voting in New Hampshire Primary
Something about individual liberty. But they are ok with illegal wiretaps and indefinite detention of U.S. citizens.
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Old 01-13-2012, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Something about individual liberty. But they are ok with illegal wiretaps and indefinite detention of U.S. citizens.
Are you talking about the Congress of the US when you say something about detention of U. S. citizens? Oh yeah, both houses did agree to that and the President swiftly signed the bill. He sure didn't wait the 5 days he promised for us to read what he was about to sign.

What illegal wiretaps are you talking about?
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Old 01-13-2012, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Because its unconstitutional to make someone pay for material in order to partake in a political election.
How about you pointing to the words ion the Constitution that say that. You can can't you?
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Old 01-13-2012, 08:39 PM
 
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How about you pointing to the words ion the Constitution that say that. You can can't you?
24th Amendment:

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Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

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Old 01-13-2012, 08:48 PM
 
Location: South Fla
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No, you're talking free; the other poster is talking about requiring one to pay.
We are talking a simple state id and how much are state id's? I know here you can get them for free. So exactly what cost is there?
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Old 01-13-2012, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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We are talking a simple state id and how much are state id's? I know here you can get them for free. So exactly what cost is there?
You were responding to a post about paying for one. It has been ruled illegal to make people pay to vote.
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Old 01-14-2012, 11:14 AM
 
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Why cant someone get a photo ID?

If you don't have a drivers license like many city folks don't, as they use public transportation, or poor rural folks, or old folks that don't drive anymore. No reason for these people to have a photo ID. Now if you make photo ID's a requirement of voting for the whole country, then those people who are too old, handicapped, poor or with no access to go and pay for and/or obtain such a photo id would not be able to vote. that would be unconstitutional and I'm sure the constitution is VERY important to you.

Unless we are going to spend all that taxpaper money to have photo ID vans going into every city, town and rural area around the country to ensure that every single person that is elegible to vote and wants to vote can.... as is the law now. Then as you have these vans going around photographing them, how are you going to determine that they are legal to vote anyway and not an ex-con, or illegal immigrant or too young. Are you going to then ask for a birth certificate?

Oh, and BTW? How are you going to get those photo ID's shown to a precinct worker on the absentee ballots?
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Old 01-14-2012, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Yet the Democrats have been pushing for a National ID going back to Ted Kennedy.
Wouldn't these same people be impacted as well ?

HYPOCRITES. When your side wants it then it's good but when the other side wants it then it's bad.
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Old 01-14-2012, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Jesus... This is why Republicans want people to forget about the past. They want to be able to revisit the schemes that allowed them to disenfranchise the opposition's base, civil rights be damned.

Howe use this any different than literacy requirements or grandfather clauses or property requirements of the past?
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