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Old 01-15-2012, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I think you're right, but Americans won't support real changes. I think if a joint party statement was made of increasing the retirement age for retirees under the age of 18 today, they could get that to happen. I think that healthcare will end up being ok one way or the other. But I think that they'll have to decrease benefits and increase taxes to pay for it.

We'll see. But we can make it without changing SS and Medicare. It would involve massive military cuts in all departments, but we can do it.
Change SS for retirees who are under the age of 18 today? Hahaha. It needs to be more like for those who are under the age of 60 today. The Baby Boomers' retiring is going to create a nightmare and a large number of the Boomers have to be included in changes.

We can't really make it without changing SS and Medicare.

I think the SS and Medicare ages need to be raised to 70 and that we should offer something for SS based on the Chilean/Galveston model to those under the age of 45-50 today (with the understanding that we wouldn't "get back" all of what we had "put in" so far).
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Old 01-15-2012, 03:01 PM
 
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the last two years of bushs tenure the democrats held congress, and for the first two years of obama tenure, the democrats had a super majority which means that the democrats could pass ANYTHING THEY WANTED EVEN IF THE REPUBLICANS VOTED AGAINST THEM. thats what a super majority is. it was DEMOCRATS that blocked much of what obama wanted to do in his first two years, not republicans. you might want to actually check the congressional record on that.

as for dirty harry, if he wants a "clean" bill, then he should take up actually doing something in the senate rather than just sitting on his hands.

and one more thing, during the bush43 tenure, the democrats had enough votes in the senate to filibuster anything the republicans wanted to do. sometimes they did, sometimes they didnt.

Dems actually believe in "shared responsibility", using undo obstructionism isn't something they have ever done. Continous filibusters and "in recess" silliness is not governing. the blockage for what Obama wanted to do was to expand or continue Bush policies, even temporarily. So they did their job correctly.
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Old 01-15-2012, 03:05 PM
 
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where do you get your number from? bush was in office for 8 years, and during that time the unemployment rate was around 5%. as for the last two years, again where are you getting your information from? the house was taken back in the 2010 elections. that doesnt mean that the republicans took power right then since the new congress was not installed until jan 6 2011, which means that the republicans have controlled the house for ONE year. during that time they have produced several bills that are languishing in the senate because harry reid refuses to bring them to the senate floor for debate and a vote.

in the end however government DOES NOT CREATE JOBS. the private sector does. and until we get government regulation under control, the private sector is not going hire people if they can avoid it. we need some certainty in the regulations and taxes that businesses face before they start to hire people in earnest.
Governments create hundreds of thousands of jobs....are you kidding me. Every civil servant is doing a government job, from the local to the federal level. Every politician is paid by the government, every military person is paid by the government, every government/private sector contrator is paid by the government. Every bridge, highway, tunnel, train track was laid down by people being paid by the government. Otherwise why would the right wing be wanting to cripple the government by making it smaller??? De-regulation of wall street, the insurance monopoly, big pharma, the oil/gas industry has caused every problem this country has faced in over a decade!
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Old 01-15-2012, 03:06 PM
 
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Where are the congressional hearings regarding the gas prices?

I guess that record high gas prices only matter when the POTUS is a republican?
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Old 01-15-2012, 03:08 PM
 
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Dems actually believe in "shared responsibility", using undo obstructionism isn't something they have ever done. Continous filibusters and "in recess" silliness is not governing. the blockage for what Obama wanted to do was to expand or continue Bush policies, even temporarily. So they did their job correctly.
LOL.

Funniest post of the day!
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Old 01-15-2012, 03:08 PM
 
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I know I am not too smart so please explain your numbers.

Bush was only in office for 8 years, so how could he have been in charge for 12?

The repubs did NOT have control for all of Bush's 8 years.

"they have had the last 2years to do it with Obama in Charge."

The last I checked the dems had control for the first 2 years when Obama was elected. In 2010 they took control of the House with the Senate and the White House under control of the dems. With only 1/3 of the equation, how do they have "control"?
A masters degree in the filibuster.
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Old 01-15-2012, 03:14 PM
 
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You base your opinions on, "in a poll"? in case you haven't noticed polls can and are manipulated based on who pays for them and what they want the outcome to be. Not all mind you, but many.

If you really believe in polls how about 70% of the people want term limits and a balanced budget, and have for years.

Will you rally around those?
Could certainly rally around term limits. A balanced budget is unachievable and unnecessary.
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Old 01-15-2012, 06:16 PM
 
Location: London
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Social Security has to be changed. With no changes, it is utterly unsustainable.
Practically every country in Europe has a more generous welfare system and bigger public sector than the United States. Many of these countries also have vastly superior unemployment figures.

Norway, to use one example has much lower unemployment rates than the United States despite having a much more generous benefit system. The trick is to treat the workforce with respect and reap the rewards of an inspired and productive workforce. All this "You don't like it I'll export your job to a sweatshop in Sri Lanka or China" race to the bottom rhetoric is self-defeating. Norway has also almost completely eradicated child poverty.
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Old 01-15-2012, 06:19 PM
 
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Republicans accuse democrats and democrats point fingers at republicans. The truth is that both parties contributed to the current situation. Much of the decimation of US industry in the last 30 years, took place under both democrats and republicans. Significant trade agreements with China as well as NAFTA were signed by Clinton with republicans approval. The outsourcing craze started already during Carter's(!) time in office. When Bush 43 pushed forward deregulations, democrats (in both houses) cooperated happily. Even the housing bubble was promoted by both parties. BTW, the housing bubble masked US economics true state for several years. If not that bubble, the recession would had hit us in 2001-2 or so.
Yes, there were recessions in the past as well, but they were short in duration as the foundation for recovery was in place.
Now, when much of the American industry isn't present anymore, it is really difficult to create new jobs in large numbers. The foundation for real job creation (with livable wages) is gone and the hyped "clean or green" jobs didn't materialize.
So, please stop pointing fingers. Both parties are equally responsible.

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Old 01-15-2012, 06:22 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Senators Warn New EPA Rules Would Raise Gas Prices | Fox News
this is one MAJOR reason why our economy is in sad shape. Do People not understand that we need Gasoline for our economy? Anything you buy in the Store has to be delivered by truck. Peoples wallets are hit because of commuting cost which in turn means less money for people to spend on products and contiune advancing the economy. Idk why Obama thinks its a bad idea to advance the Keystone Pipeline project and create 20,000 jobs and provide so much oil to America from our reliable ally Canada.
Heck a project like that and advancing the refining capacity and granting permits for more drilling could drop Gasoline to 2.00 but i guess we like a slow economy.
Democrats just don't understand economics.
Hopefully people will realize in 2012 and fix our economy so America can be great again.
George Bush and Republicans had 8 years, 8 long, horrific years, to show us what Republicans can do with the economy. What the hell happened? Given a surplus, by the time those Neanderthals left, we were nearly at another Great Depression.

Republicans don't have a clue. The build deficits, mismanage the economy to the benefit of a privileged few, and try to hide this incompetence by promoting fear and warmongering.

Absolutely absurd, your post. The key for 2012 is getting Republicans OUT of the way, so President Obama can solve the economic problems that Republicans created and perpetuate.
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