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Portland is the whitest big city in the country, and from what I know about Portland, most blacks do live in one part of town.
In general, people like to be around their own kind. Diversity usually leads to more conflicts.
That is true historically - residents refer to Portland's "historically black" neighborhoods - but as that part of town gentrifies, black renters have been getting priced out of the area, and have been moving east to become newly segregated on the basis of economics.
As racist real estate practices break down, real estate and housing become more and more driven by race-neutral green.
That doesn't sound like an integration/segregation problem it sounds like a black problem...why don't they just make things better. This is 2014 EVERYONE is given the same oppurtunity..Why blame segregation/integration when some races are doing just fine under it.
Actually, what I just proved was that segregation does not end conflict. In fact, consider this. Alot of middle class Blacks who have the money to live elsewhere often vote with their feet, and often have less conflict in integrated areas.
And you haven't said anything about what I mentioned with the Native American reservations.
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So? Give everyone that wants it a few states somewhere and let them have their social experiment leave everyone else alone.As usual its another one of those great ideas that must be forced on people...
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This is America. People can move anywhere they want. This means EVERYONE. Segregation as we had in the old days, that was not voluntary. That was force.
Actually, what I just proved was that segregation does not end conflict. In fact, consider this. Alot of middle class Blacks who have the money to live elsewhere often vote with their feet, and often have less conflict in integrated areas.
And you haven't said anything about what I mentioned with the Native American reservations.
This is America. People can move anywhere they want. This means EVERYONE. Segregation as we had in the old days, that was not voluntary. That was force.[/quote]So is integration. If a town votes to only allow blacks fine,whites fine,latinos fine,asians fine. Integration is force at its finest. Trying to force together people who don't want to be together.
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Every white person or green person or purple person doesn't either.
All people don't have the same opportunities for success. This isn't a utopian society.
EVERY person can make their own way... I know many people born dirt poor who are now successful.
I'm talking about any instance where certain groups of people, whether they be of a race, ethnicity, religion or income group congregate in neighbourhoods in large numbers. Do you think segregation, especially racial and economic segregation, creates barriers between people, which leads to ignorance, suspicion, resentment, envy? Would someone from East LA get along with someone from Bel Air? It seems to me the most segregated cities, i.e. those in the Rustbelt, tend to have the highest crime. Camden, NJ or Philly as well. St. Louis another example. How about the southern capitals of crime like New Orleans or Little Rock? Are these cities segregated too? Less segregation seems to lead to less economic disparities, e.g. in places like Portland.
Yes, it does, but the dynamics are complicated.
First of all, when you talk about segregation in the US, you are really talking about segregation of blacks. Black segregation is different from segregation of other groups in several ways:
1) Black segregation is far more complete. Even the most distinctly "ethnic" non-black neighborhoods usually have significant numbers of people living there who are not members of the main group. Pilsen, a predominantly "Mexican" neighborhood on Chicago's near South Side, was never more than about 75% Mexican. Today, Pilsen is rapidly gentrifying and becoming a "hipster" 'hood, but it was never all Mexican. Black neighborhoods, by contrast, are almost always all-black.
2) Black segregation concentrates poverty. Someone once asked, "where all the dirt-poor, all white neighborhoods in Chicago?" Answer: there aren't any. Not because there are no poor white people, but because poor white people don't get segregated. They live in neighborhoods throughout the city, mixed in with middle-class and even sometimes wealthy people. The result is that poor whites often get access to the same schools, parks, libraries, shopping centers, transit networks, etc as middle class whites. That isn't true for poor blacks. Because they are hyper-segregated, they tend to live in areas with few public amenities and even fewer viable businesses. They also tend to be geographically isolated, sandwiched between expressways and far from public transit.
3) Black segregation is much harder to break out of. When was the last time you heard about whites selling off their homes en masse and fleeing a neighborhood in panic because Pakistanis were moving in? When was the last time every businesses in a neighborhood shut down or moved to the suburbs because of an influx of Koreans? When have virtually all parents in a given neighborhood pulled their kids out of the local public schools because too many Greeks were starting to send their kids there? The answer to all three: never. But this is what almost always happens when blacks try to move into predominantly white, or mixed, areas. Every attempt by blacks to leave the ghetto is met by white flight, commercial abandonment and public divestment. No other ethnic group is treated this way, or at least not nearly to the same extent.
So yes, segregation leads more crime because it creates an desperately poor underclass completely cut off from the rest of society. They have extremely limited access to decent schools, productive job networks, or even basic consumer amenities like grocery stores. As some 60's radicals observed, much of the black population in the US is really part of an internal colony, kept physically close but socially far away. This leads to a lot of frustration, desperation, rage, vengeance, predatory behavior and violent crime.
If a town votes to only allow blacks fine,whites fine,latinos fine,asians fine. Integration is force at its finest. Trying to force together people who don't want to be together.
Letting people live wherever they want means integration on some level is going to take place. Letting people live where they want is not force. Telling people "you can't live here because of your race", that is force.
Forcing towns to allow low income aka section 8 apartments is just back door to forced integration. Happened to Forsyth County,Ga years and years ago...A towns people should have the right to keep out anyone it wants to. Even if that means a black town keeping me out I am fine with that...got no interest in moving there to begin with...People do better among their own..this social engineering isn't going to work..its made things worse for EVERY ONE involved.
Letting people live wherever they want means integration on some level is going to take place. Letting people live where they want is not force. Telling people "you can't live here because of your race", that is force.
Blacks shouldn't be forced to allow whites into their neighborhoods. That is patently unfair.
Blacks shouldn't be forced to allow whites into their neighborhoods. That is patently unfair.
And Whites shouldn't be barred from living in Black neighborhoods. If Whites want to live there, that should be their choice. No one should be barred from living anywhere based on their skin color. This is the USA. This land nation is mine, and yours.
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