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Hundreds of billions of dollars have been spent trying to close the achievement gap. Contrary to popular claims that Black students are given poor educations, more money is spent per capita on Black students than on White or Asian students. Plus if you include the billions spent on programs like Head Start, it is even higher.
The idea that Blacks are kept down is not based on reality. Even in majority Black cities with majority Black school administrations and teachers, Black students perform poorly. That is not one man's opinion. That is a fact.
But historically, many attempts have been made to keep Black people down.
you contradict yourself. You acknowledge that some black Americans are successful in spite of racism, but that racism is why some blacks are still lagging. There is less institutional racism now than back then, yet educational, crime, low births, etc. are worse today. If we maintain the status quo of drug violence and welfarism, the gap between these folks and others will increase.
One of my black friends is very successful but his family wasn't slaves at the time of the Civil War. His great grandfather had worked as a slave-butler to a fairly wealthy man who took the attitude that he "earned" his freedom and this man prepared him for freedom by making sure he knew how to read and write and employed him with a pay check after he earned his freedom.
Another black family I know actually inherited a farm because they were the only heirs of the white slave-owner, so they had property with which to get their start and did very well.
Many of the field hands were released with no where to go, no jobs, no homes, no property to farm. Poverty and a chip-on-the-shoulder became generational. And before the problems of these people were addressed, many immigrant groups were brought in to take the jobs that could have been the salvation of some of these people. We're still doing that -- bring in foreign labor instead of getting jobs for American citizens.
But historically, many attempts have been made to keep Black people down.
That poster is either a liar or very, very uninformed. Black students across this nation don't attend public schools that have anywhere near the same level of funding.
School budgets are based on local property taxes.
Homes in predominately black neighborhoods are worth less. The people in those neighborhoods earn less money. This means that there is far less money spent on black students. This is basic reality about school budgets.
In 1995, among the American poor, there were 16.3 million Non-Hispanic Whites, 10.0 million Blacks, 8.6 million Hispanics, and 1.4 million Asians. Blacks comprised about 27.6% of the American poor.
During that year, Blacks committed about 54% of all US murders. Remember that the FBI, from whom the murder information comes, counts "Hispanics" as "Whites," making the total number of poor persons eligible to be committing murders as "Whites" about 24.8 million. These "Whites" comprised 68.5% of the American poor, but committed - at most - only 46% of 1995 US murders, if we make the doubtful assumption that Asians and Amerindians committed none. The evidence argues against the liberal hypothesis that poverty causes crime.
I don't recall such rampant crime among whites during the Great Depression, do you?
Liberals often try to blame black violence on poverty. The Census data disproves this myth. How? In 1995, among the American poor, there were 16.3 million Whites, 10.0 million Blacks, 8.6 million Hispanics, and 1.4 million Asians. Blacks comprised about 27.6% of the American poor. Those poverty numbers can be verified by clicking on the link that I've provided below.
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During that year, Blacks committed about 54% of all US murders. Bear in mind that the FBI, from whom the murder information comes, counts "Hispanics" as "Whites," making the total number of poor persons eligible to be committing murders as "Whites" about 24.8 million. In other words a Brazilian Black speaking Spanish is considered "White". These "Whites" comprised 68.5% of the American poor, but committed -- at the most -- only 46% of 1995 U.S. murders, if we make the doubtful assumption that Asians and Amerindians committed none. The evidence argues against the liberal hypothesis that poverty causes crime.
Per capita income (2000)
Source:Bureau of Economic Analysis, U.S. Department of Commerce $21,738 Rank 49th
Disposable personal income per capita (2000)
Source:Bureau of Economic Analysis, U.S. Department of Commerce $19,156 Rank 49th
Median income of households(1993) $22,421 Rank 50th
Median household income, 1999 $29,696 (USA National Average - $41,994)
Per capita money income, 1999 $16,477 (USA National Average - $21,587)
Persons below poverty, percent, 1999 17.9% (USA National Average -12.4%)
As of 2003 West Virginia blacks accounted for just 3.2% of the total population and 34.9% of the total prison population.
Simply translated: White areas are safer areas. That is an irrefutable fact. The poverty argument, or excuse more accurately, can be torn to shreds time-after-time. It's for that reason that we must look at race from a collective standpoint; not on an individual basis, as the latter does not reflect the severity or magnitude of the problems associated with Blacks.
Keep in mind that West Virginia is known by many as one of the most racist state in the entire country so it's very likely that Blacks are unfairly targeted by Law Enforcement/biased juries which is obviously A MAJOR FACTOR why the prison population is so disproportiate for Blacks. Just look at all the racist groups headquartered in West Virginia...most notably, the KKK.
you contradict yourself. You acknowledge that some black Americans are successful in spite of racism, but that racism is why some blacks are still lagging. There is less institutional racism now than back then, yet educational, crime, low births, etc. are worse today. If we maintain the status quo of drug violence and welfarism, the gap between these folks and others will increase.
First crime is down. Educational achievement is higher. This is objective reality.
Now on to your ridiculous illogical point that since some black people succeed that means racism isn't a problem.
Madame C. J. Walker was the first woman I think to be a self made millionaire, did her accomplish take away from the rampant racism of her day?
Joe Louis was Heavy weight champion of the world did his accomplishments take away from the racism of his day?
WE B Dubois earned a doctorate from Harvard, did his graduation prove that Harvard was open to black people?
Man you have got to think better don't be simple minded. Human societies are not black and white and never have been. So the reality is at any point in American history one could point to "successful" black people.
Their success didn't diminish the racism of their time and individuals success now doesn't either.
One of my black friends is very successful but his family wasn't slaves at the time of the Civil War. His great grandfather had worked as a slave-butler to a fairly wealthy man who took the attitude that he "earned" his freedom and this man prepared him for freedom by making sure he knew how to read and write and employed him with a pay check after he earned his freedom.
Another black family I know actually inherited a farm because they were the only heirs of the white slave-owner, so they had property with which to get their start and did very well.
Many of the field hands were released with no where to go, no jobs, no homes, no property to farm. Poverty and a chip-on-the-shoulder became generational. And before the problems of these people were addressed, many immigrant groups were brought in to take the jobs that could have been the salvation of some of these people. We're still doing that -- bring in foreign labor instead of getting jobs for American citizens.
Yes, many of the richest aas are descended from the freedmen. That was a nice advantage to "integrate" into society and save, learn, etc as every human aspire to do.
I would argue the worst thing a lot of aas did was waste time with share cropping, half of whom were white but that's another thread. Share cropping delayed the immersion of many aas into urban society, where they could attain advanced skills in trades, own businesses, etc. country folk always lag behind city folk in all aspects of modern society. The fact that the great migration didn't start until 1911 was detrimental, IMO. Ironically, every black leader on the spectrum discouraged migration. So when job killing and welfarism kicked in around the 1950s and 1960s, a lot of the poor got caught up in this nightmare and have been mascoted for political fodder ever since.
I for one do not have a problem talking about anything that plagues the black community. However, I do refuse to talk about such issues in a vacuum. What many whites want are observations without explanations, concerning many of the problems in the black community.
Observations without explanations help to reinforce the doctrine of racial inferiority. When blacks behave and or perform inferior, without explanation, the de facto conclusion is that they are inferior because that is what current evidence suggest. Many people believe that blacks perform superior in many sports because we are superior athletically, which is the de facto conclusion from the observation of performance. The same holds true in regards to things like intelligence, work ethic, crime and the like. The de facto conclusion of the observation is that such is the nature of blacks. Hence, naturally superior in athletics and naturally inferior in intellect, behavior, temperment and such.
In light of that, what many whites want to do is control the scope. Hence, as soon as blacks start talking about issues of crime, out of wedlock births, education, etc, in the context of the evolution of those realities, many whites cry foul. Why....because studying the evolution takes one back to racism in America. The past will always lead to racism in America and thus racism in America becomes an explanation for the socioeconomic statistical discrepancies between blacks and whites, negating the influence of natural inferiority of blacks and contradicting the narrative of many whites. Many whites simply do not believe that the legacy impact of centuries of racism has manifested any role in many of the problems that plauge blacks today, which means that the inferior performance and or behavior is the natural result of inferior traits in such areas, just as black superior performance in sports is an indication of their superiority in those particular areas.
Yes, we are defensive about observations without explanations.
that's exactly what happens, good point....I just read a story about Gabby Douglas and 90% of the story was about her being black and what it means for American race relations, etc. Um, she also won 2 gold medals -- what about that? They want to say we should stop talking about being black, yet that's ALLsome of these non black people focus on. Gabby Douglas has little if anything to do with political race relations, IMO. But they always find a way to bring it right back around to the same crap. So as long as they feel they have carte blanche to talk about 'what the entire black race is doing' -- so will I. Can call it "Black defensiveness" or whatever else they want, oh well.
Race is in fact real, despite your cries against it's reality.
No, race is not real. Scientists are studying the human GENOME. They have yet to find racial genes. Scientists have said you cannot divide human beings into racial subcategories. You need to deal with reality.
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