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This thread is a great example of what happens when you choose to cling to ignorant beliefs no matter how much contradictory evidence stares you in the face.
The fact of the matter is, the American dream has always been largely a myth, and now the realities are so stark that desperate people want to pretend that there aren't millions of people who work hard (everything isn't attributable to laziness, as so many of you all want it to be) and still struggle to stay afloat, much less move up. Social mobility in America is not flourishing, and anyone who tries to convince themselves otherwise is deluding themselves.
Sorry, but those posts do not in any way dispute the fact that economic mobility is alive and well in the USA. Comparing the USA to other countries does not mean there are economic barriers here.
Try again. Show me data that says there are barriers to economic mobility in the USA.
Sorry, but those posts do not in any way dispute the fact that economic mobility is alive and well in the USA. Comparing the USA to other countries does not mean there are economic barriers here.
Try again. Show me data that says there are barriers to economic mobility in the USA.
Those posts show that the aggregate of the middle-class has not gained economically since 1979 while the top 1% has had staggering gains. The other link shows directly how U.S. mobility is low.
The only what one can conclude, as you do, that "those posts do not in any way dispute the fact that economic mobility is alive and well in the USA" is through willful denial of facts.
Those posts show that the aggregate of the middle-class has not gained economically since 1979 while the top 1% has had staggering gains. The other link shows directly how U.S. mobility is low.
The only what one can conclude, as you do, that "those posts do not in any way dispute the fact that economic mobility is alive and well in the USA" is through willful denial of facts.
MTA, someone is trying to claim that a tiny fraction, that one mouse out of 100 that succeed in climbing out of that bucket, prove mobility exists for everyone. Just a lame fallacy, for every one that climb out at least one falls in. I believe one of you bar charts pointed out something like 5% reach the top quintile while 9% from the top quintile dropped to the bottom. In the AGGREGATE upward mobilty doesn't exist any more.
MTA, someone is trying to claim that a tiny fraction, that one mouse out of 100 that succeed in climbing out of that bucket, prove mobility exists for everyone. Just a lame fallacy, for every one that climb out at least one falls in. I believe one of you bar charts pointed out something like 5% reach the top quintile while 9% from the top quintile dropped to the bottom. In the AGGREGATE upward mobilty doesn't exist any more.
I didn't realize that the argument was any success was goal post. The reality, as you pointed out is different. For the vast majority of Americans your paycheck is very much linked to the paycheck of your parents.
This thread is a great example of what happens when you choose to cling to ignorant beliefs no matter how much contradictory evidence stares you in the face.
The fact of the matter is, the American dream has always been largely a myth, and now the realities are so stark that desperate people want to pretend that there aren't millions of people who work hard (everything isn't attributable to laziness, as so many of you all want it to be) and still struggle to stay afloat, much less move up. Social mobility in America is not flourishing, and anyone who tries to convince themselves otherwise is deluding themselves.
Those posts show that the aggregate of the middle-class has not gained economically since 1979 while the top 1% has had staggering gains.
So what. That means nothing. We are talking about economic mobility. Not how much the top 1% has gained. The top 1% has nothing to do with this issue. The fact remains that there are no barriers to economic mobility. Millions move up the ladder every year.
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The other link shows directly how U.S. mobility is low.
No, the other link shows how US mobility is lower than some other countries. And that's assuming your data is correct.
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The only what one can conclude, as you do, that "those posts do not in any way dispute the fact that economic mobility is alive and well in the USA" is through willful denial of facts.
No, your posts obviously have an agenda. Your agenda is more government programs, so you find some charts that you can interpret to match your agenda.
For example, you said your father's paycheck is the best indicator his child's economic status. So tell me, what other indicators did you research? Or is this the only one? Did you know that a man's height is also a key indicator of his economic status? Did you know that a woman's looks is a key indicator of her economic status?
You are following the Krugman model.... he determines his agenda, then finds stats that have some correlation so he can support his agenda.
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