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If someone would suggest that the government do the construction he would jump at the opportunity to prove that government provides jobs much better than the private sector. Doesn't that make some sense to you, bob? He is, after all, the great job creator.
TransCanada believes Keystone XL will ultimately be approved, as it is too important to the U.S. economy and its national interest. As well, Keystone XL remains the best option for producers to supply crude oil to U.S. Gulf Coast Refineries.
The U.S. consumes 15 million barrels of oil each day and imports 10 to 11 million barrels per day. Industry forecasts predict oil consumption will continue at these levels for the next two to three decades, so a secure supply of crude oil is critical to U.S. energy security.
Keystone XL is shovel-ready. TransCanada is poised to put 13,000 Americans to work to construct the pipeline - pipefitters, welders, mechanics, electricians, heavy equipment operators, among other jobs - in addition to 7,000 manufacturing jobs that would be created across the U.S. Additionally, local businesses along the pipeline route will benefit from the 118,000 spin-off jobs Keystone XL will create through increased business for local goods and service providers.
The aquifer is no longer the issue. The planned re-route will keep XL far from it. The pipeline company would not go bankrupt cleaning up a mess.. and the Canadians cannot refine the oil because at the current time they don't have the capability to do it. Sometimes folks... knowing the facts... might help your cause... spouting un-truths... doesn't....
I don't think many left leaners realize what you say. They have to keep that one. I live in the area that would be directly affected by a leak into the Oglalla Aquifer and was against this thing till they changed the proposed route.
It's a pipeline, not an assembly line. I just thought I'd clarify that for the ignorant and ill-informed.
Will it create 25,000 jobs? No, not all at once. Over a period of 6-9 years its possible that a total of 25,000 people might have worked from 3 months to 2-3 years on it. Maybe.
Canada needs two things, expanded port facilities and processing facilities.
For Canada, piping the oil to Texas where it can be processed and have the water and particulate matter and heavy metals like vanadium, chromium, uranium, nickel and mercury removed and then shipped elsewhere to be refined makes sense.
Only 16 of the 26 refineries in Texas produce gasoline. Valero runs West Texas Intermediate, Citgo runs Tijuana Light (Venezuela), Total (a French company) runs Bonny Light (Nigeria). Most of the refineries are petro-chemical, meaning The Extravagant American Life-Style. Gasoline is merely a by-product; and afterthought. Delek and Premcor run West Texas Sour, which doesn't have as much sulfur as East Texas Sour, but they are independent suppliers to like Swifty and other independent gasoline stations.
You can run heavy oil through a sour intermediate or sweet intermediate refinery any more than you can run light oil through sour intermediate or sweet intermediate refinery. It's a matter of physics.
The reason the US doesn't use heavy oil for gasoline, is because you only get 6 gallons out of a 42 gallon barrel (9 gallons if you pay the extra price and take the time squeeze out 3 more gallons). If you're operating a refinery to produce gasoline, then common sense says you run intermediate or light, because you get double to quadruple the amount of gasoline for the same price/cost to run the refinery.
The oil pipeline is not necessary for America. It's a lot of "eminent domain" for no good reason.
That's why not...
Mircea
That would be grotesque ignorance, except this has all been explained to you before, so it would have to be willful ignorance, which falls in the realm of propaganda and disinformation.
Tar sands oils are by definition very heavy to heavy oils (bordering on tar). If you want to make The Pill, as in the original birth control pill, then great. But if you want The Patch for birth control, or you want the new one you only take once a month, or once a week, or if you want Lipitor, Claritin, Valtrex or any of your pharmaceutical drugs that were introduced to the market since 1994 then...
...you will use imported foreign light sweet (low sulfur) crude oil, or you will do without them.
Don't blame me, blame god or the dinosaurs for not crapping and dying in the right places, or blame the pterodactyls for not crapping plant seeds in the right places.
If you want Tide liquid laundry detergent, or any liquid laundry detergent, then you will import light oil from Venezuela, Nigeria and Saudi Arabia, and when they run out, you'll import it from Central Asia, and when they run out, you'll import it from eastern Russia.
Liquid laundry detergents require Neodol-65 or Neodol-67, an organic alcohol made exclusively from light oil (and you don't have any) and you also need triethanolomine (the active soil release agent) which is made exclusively from light oil.
It's a matter of organic chemistry.
When you are ready to step back into the late 1960s/early 1970s and give up your body washes and liquid laundry detergents and all the drugs that have come on the market since 1994 and all of your frozen foods and ready-to-eat foods and all the beautiful colors and hues in your clothing then go right ahead -- that is the only way to free yourself of foreign oil.
Or you can do the 300 Million-man swim and take over the Middle East.
Until then, you are dependent on foreign imported light sweet (low sulfur) crude oil until the universe grinds to a halt.
Chemically speaking organically...
Mircea
Thanks so much for attempting to educate the willfully ignorant.
The jobs are all located in Red States. Also, gasoline prices need to remain high to give alternative energy a chance to operate with government subsidies in the free market.
It's a pipeline, not an assembly line. I just thought I'd clarify that for the ignorant and ill-informed.
Will it create 25,000 jobs? No, not all at once. Over a period of 6-9 years its possible that a total of 25,000 people might have worked from 3 months to 2-3 years on it. Maybe.
Canada needs two things, expanded port facilities and processing facilities.
For Canada, piping the oil to Texas where it can be processed and have the water and particulate matter and heavy metals like vanadium, chromium, uranium, nickel and mercury removed and then shipped elsewhere to be refined makes sense.
Only 16 of the 26 refineries in Texas produce gasoline. Valero runs West Texas Intermediate, Citgo runs Tijuana Light (Venezuela), Total (a French company) runs Bonny Light (Nigeria). Most of the refineries are petro-chemical, meaning The Extravagant American Life-Style. Gasoline is merely a by-product; and afterthought. Delek and Premcor run West Texas Sour, which doesn't have as much sulfur as East Texas Sour, but they are independent suppliers to like Swifty and other independent gasoline stations.
You can run heavy oil through a sour intermediate or sweet intermediate refinery any more than you can run light oil through sour intermediate or sweet intermediate refinery. It's a matter of physics.
The reason the US doesn't use heavy oil for gasoline, is because you only get 6 gallons out of a 42 gallon barrel (9 gallons if you pay the extra price and take the time squeeze out 3 more gallons). If you're operating a refinery to produce gasoline, then common sense says you run intermediate or light, because you get double to quadruple the amount of gasoline for the same price/cost to run the refinery.
The oil pipeline is not necessary for America. It's a lot of "eminent domain" for no good reason.
That's why not...
Mircea
That would be grotesque ignorance, except this has all been explained to you before, so it would have to be willful ignorance, which falls in the realm of propaganda and disinformation.
Tar sands oils are by definition very heavy to heavy oils (bordering on tar). If you want to make The Pill, as in the original birth control pill, then great. But if you want The Patch for birth control, or you want the new one you only take once a month, or once a week, or if you want Lipitor, Claritin, Valtrex or any of your pharmaceutical drugs that were introduced to the market since 1994 then...
...you will use imported foreign light sweet (low sulfur) crude oil, or you will do without them.
Don't blame me, blame god or the dinosaurs for not crapping and dying in the right places, or blame the pterodactyls for not crapping plant seeds in the right places.
If you want Tide liquid laundry detergent, or any liquid laundry detergent, then you will import light oil from Venezuela, Nigeria and Saudi Arabia, and when they run out, you'll import it from Central Asia, and when they run out, you'll import it from eastern Russia.
Liquid laundry detergents require Neodol-65 or Neodol-67, an organic alcohol made exclusively from light oil (and you don't have any) and you also need triethanolomine (the active soil release agent) which is made exclusively from light oil.
It's a matter of organic chemistry.
When you are ready to step back into the late 1960s/early 1970s and give up your body washes and liquid laundry detergents and all the drugs that have come on the market since 1994 and all of your frozen foods and ready-to-eat foods and all the beautiful colors and hues in your clothing then go right ahead -- that is the only way to free yourself of foreign oil.
Or you can do the 300 Million-man swim and take over the Middle East.
Until then, you are dependent on foreign imported light sweet (low sulfur) crude oil until the universe grinds to a halt.
Chemically speaking organically...
Mircea
I'm quoting your post in hopes people will read it and better understand the issue instead of the reflexive, "Fart Bongo is bad."
I believe that's jobs 138,000 jobs estimated with increased energy independence.
POOF...
As someone very vested in the project, I have no doubt that it will not produce 138,000 direct jobs immediately nor will it be long-haul forever jobs... but none the less it will create jobs. Jobs that will not be paid for with tax dollars!!! Good paying jobs which will help a lot of families that have already been decimated by our so-called concerned president. This is all political.. it has nothing to do with what is good for our country. It's another sad, sad day of many that this president has to take the blame for. When decisions are made not for what's good for this country, but what is good for the president's handler's and other country's such as China, we've slipped to the point of no return I'm afraid.
Guess he if nothing else has made up our minds for us.... I believe that taking the ex-pat job overseas will be our only option. Thanks for nothing Obama!
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Does it make a difference where the jobs are created as long as they are here in the United States?
Alternative energy subsidies are starting to bleed this country dry and what do we get? A miniscule return that only the rich can afford to implement. The poor and middle class's are paying for these expensive feel good sources.
Alternative energy like wind is killing millions of birds every year.
Canada is greedy, sounds like something a kid in middle school would say.
Saul... they can't explain. So many of Keystone XL's proponents only know what they read or spout what they have heard on TV. If we have someone here with concrete knowledge all that happens is they are blasted just because they are on the opposite side. How do I know this... because for the last few months I've been told that I don't know jack and am quite stupid about pipeline construction by every person who "thinks" they know all about Keystones construction. Never mind that for the last 30+ years that's all that my husband and I have done for a living... But.. yeah... we don't know jack.
It sounds to me like Congress is acting like a bunch of petulant children, and the administration is acting like the annoyed parents. Pretty much every ten-year-old knows that if they whine "But mom, I need an answer *now*", then the answer will be "No." Well, congress demanded an answer *now*, and so they got their "No."
Exactly. The pipeline promoters have insisted, demanded a decision from the U.S. Government in a timeframe the government feels is unreasonable. The U.S. Government has not said it wll not ultimately approve the project. It does want to complete a reasonable due diligence period. That's prudent behavior for such a project. The permanent jobs to be created in the USA has been estimated at 2,500. Important, yes. Reason to throw caution to the wind? No. All such projects require international and internal negotiations. The energy industry is incredibly corrupt and greedy. It's protestations that a decision has to be made NOW is beyond suspicious. The USA isn't going to deny the project and allow China to build a pipeline to and through BC and buy all of this questionable quality oil.
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