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Old 01-20-2012, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Montgomery Village
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so the rest of us don't have to pay taxes to fund your kids. Until you have banked 300k, you aint ready to raise your FIRST kid. 200k more for each additional kid. No reason for a woman to have a kid before she's 30, or a man before he's 35. If the 2 of you aint got 300k in 15 years combined, then you CAN'T raise kids properly, in the US, most likely. So forget it. quit putting the load on other people! each kid takes 1`/4 million to raise properly, mother should be there for them until they are 6-7 years old, in PRIVATE school. So you lose her income for those years and need baby sitters, so mom can take sanity breaks. Quit putting the load of your retirement on ss and tax payers, or on your kids. Save-invest properly, or don't have kids.
Wait you kidding right? I am curious to see what everyone else posted. But this is the stupidest comment I have read today. Basically, by your logic, if this was followed to a tee, then this country would die off in a generation.
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Old 01-20-2012, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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You've heard of ACLU & Human Rights haven't you?? This would be an envasion of their privacy!!
Actually, I fail to see how this is an invasion of privacy, since illegal drug use can affect work performance, and in some cases is actually required by the federal government, or state government, [such as getting a CDL license in some states].

If someone is going to hire you, why shouldn't they be allowed to test for illegal drug use?
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Old 01-20-2012, 02:14 PM
 
Location: The Nanny State of MD
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Probably better to just let him spout off here than ever let him be on a panel to decide who gets health care or not. imo
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They're nobody. It's easy to talk tough anonymously on the internet.
Both so true.
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Old 01-20-2012, 02:34 PM
 
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If Grandma is 104 she has collected several times as much as she and her husband paid in.
She is one of the few. I figure about $150,000 over the 39 years since grandpa was eligable for retirement give or take. He worked way past 65 though. I have no idea how much SS he paid in. Im sure a lot more than the younger people that have been drawing disability for years because their back hurts or they are addicted to drugs and alcohol.
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Old 01-20-2012, 04:40 PM
 
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Actually, I fail to see how this is an invasion of privacy, since illegal drug use can affect work performance, and in some cases is actually required by the federal government, or state government, [such as getting a CDL license in some states].

If someone is going to hire you, why shouldn't they be allowed to test for illegal drug use?
see the rolled eyes, sarcasm.

If one is on welfare, drug testing is fair game. I'm all for it. When this was proposed, ACLU said, it was invasion of ones privacy. Something like that............
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Old 01-20-2012, 05:53 PM
 
Location: NEPA
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so the rest of us don't have to pay taxes to fund your kids. Until you have banked 300k, you aint ready to raise your FIRST kid. 200k more for each additional kid. No reason for a woman to have a kid before she's 30, or a man before he's 35. If the 2 of you aint got 300k in 15 years combined, then you CAN'T raise kids properly, in the US, most likely. So forget it. quit putting the load on other people! each kid takes 1`/4 million to raise properly, mother should be there for them until they are 6-7 years old, in PRIVATE school. So you lose her income for those years and need baby sitters, so mom can take sanity breaks. Quit putting the load of your retirement on ss and tax payers, or on your kids. Save-invest properly, or don't have kids.
I'm thinking maybe you should't be telling people not to have children until you learn to talk properly. "ain't got" is not the proper way and you sound very undeducated.
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Old 01-20-2012, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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Most people who actualy work for a living and earn their money have to submit to drug testing.....why shouldn't welfare recipients be required to do the same?
I agree, but I'm surprised you feel that way.
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Old 01-20-2012, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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Just an observation, many jobs these days require a drug test, and failure means no job. Some companies even test for nicotine, [smoking], and will not hire you if you fail. Is that any different than drug testing for welfare?
It's up to a company if they want to hire a smoker, but I don't see an issue with denying welfare to smokers...if they have that kind of money to spend on $8/pack smokes, I don't really think we should be subsidizing them.
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Old 01-21-2012, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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It's up to a company if they want to hire a smoker, but I don't see an issue with denying welfare to smokers...if they have that kind of money to spend on $8/pack smokes, I don't really think we should be subsidizing them.
If you want to go there with smoking......then they should also lose their benefits if they have money to pay for satellite or cable TV.
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Old 01-21-2012, 08:23 AM
 
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"stop having kids you can't afford to raise properly. "


That means emotionally as well as financially. I see a lot of young people whose parents are doing well economically but are lousy parents and their kids are in trouble the same as the underprivileged and middle class. Being a good parent may be the hardest thing you ever do but it will also be the most rewarding thing you ever do.
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