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View Poll Results: Which gender is more responsible for out of wedlock births?
Women because of they suffer larger consequences (pregnancy, raising the child) or because they control if pregnancy continues 56 25.45%
Men because they didn't marry the woman, or "got her pregnant" or "loved her and left her" 21 9.55%
Both 143 65.00%
Voters: 220. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-23-2012, 02:24 PM
 
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The bottom line is that you can't change biology. Biology isn't fair. Both sexes cannot get pregnant. That's just the way life is.
No, Dewdrop. We use laws to equalize gender differences in biology all the time, like rape, assault, etc. The same goes with removing gender discrimination in the workplace, which emanated from the historical socially created effects of gender biology differences.

I am sure you're not against any of what I just mentioned.

Of course life isn't fair. I agree with that. But to keep things as is when they can be easily corrected is a mistake and is against the premise of "equal rights".
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Old 01-23-2012, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Katonah, NY
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No, Dewdrop. We use laws to equalize gender differences in biology all the time, like rape, assault, etc.
Well, I guess we are truly at an impasse.
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Old 01-23-2012, 02:42 PM
 
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Well, I guess we are truly at an impasse.
No problem Dewdrop, even though we disagree on [EDIT]these philosophical topics I still enjoy your posts and think you're a great person.

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Old 01-23-2012, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Katonah, NY
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No problem Dewdrop, even though we disagree on this philosophical topics I still enjoy your posts and think you're a great person.
Same to you!
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Old 01-23-2012, 06:42 PM
 
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The both are to blame. If the "couple" gets pregnant, then they should get married so the baby isn't born out of wedlock. Yeah, you may not like the father/mother of the child, but you got to do what's best for your child.
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Old 01-23-2012, 06:48 PM
 
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I dont know that there is a definitive answer to this question. Every situation is different, involving two unique individuals. A good starting point is to think of both parties as responsible because it takes two to tango.
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Old 01-23-2012, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Huntersville/Charlotte, NC and Washington, DC
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The both are to blame. If the "couple" gets pregnant, then they should get married so the baby isn't born out of wedlock. Yeah, you may not like the father/mother of the child, but you got to do what's best for your child.
I'm sorry, this is crazy. A piece of paper ain't gonna make two responsible parents. H$&@ if they were responsible they would have not gotten into that situation in the first place.
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Old 01-23-2012, 06:56 PM
 
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I'm sorry, this is crazy. A piece of paper ain't gonna make two responsible parents. H$&@ if they were responsible they would have not gotten into that situation in the first place.
I know. That's what happened with my parents. They didn't even know one another that well before my mom got pregnant with me then they had a "shot gun wedding" a few months later in June. My dad was abusive, an alcoholic and couldn't hold a job. So, they divorced 5 years later. All through my childhood, they always bickered towards one another.

If my parents had just been careful in the first place or if my mother had known what my father was really like, they could have prevented all the struggles they went through. Without them realizing it, they taught me to wait until marriage to have children.

Of course the situation wasn't ideal but having me out of wedlock wouldn't have helped anything. Also, my parents would have been unwed parents at having me and my Grandpa was a reverend. So, my grandparents also pressured my mom to marry my dad.
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:11 PM
 
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The both are to blame. If the "couple" gets pregnant, then they should get married so the baby isn't born out of wedlock. Yeah, you may not like the father/mother of the child, but you got to do what's best for your child.

What a naive statement to make.

My parents got married because my Mother was pregnant. What a huge mistake that was. It ruined her life forever. Women should never, ever marry someone just because they are pregnant.
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Old 01-23-2012, 09:20 PM
 
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WRONG!! Read the thread title, it talks about BIRTHS. That is COMPLETELY and TOTALLY DIFFERENT than pregnancy. ONLY women give birth, not men. So, it takes two to get pregnant, but only ONE will give BIRTH. Hence, WOMEN are 100% responsible for ALL births. Again, understand this, we are NOT talking about pregnancies, we are talking about BIRTHS.
Women are only 100% responsible for those births where they had a sperm donor. Come on Lao. You're just being silly now.
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